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Best Wishes On Conference - Jan Forster/NC
6/2/2004 9:21:09 PM (1647 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - monica froese/ME
6/2/2004 10:16:02 PM (2349 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:53:13 PM (2285 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Slade Smith/GA
6/2/2004 11:57:46 PM (2289 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:13:44 AM (2268 views)
Re: Best Wishes (one more thing) - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:17:40 AM (2242 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/3/2004 3:04:31 PM (2256 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/3/2004 11:11:39 AM (2279 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 6:33:01 PM (2304 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/4/2004 7:01:53 PM (2203 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 7:24:18 PM (2255 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/6/2004 10:32:58 AM (2279 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2004 3:01:34 PM (2206 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/6/2004 5:52:17 PM (2162 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2004 10:36:55 PM (2258 views)

Advice? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 10:20:30 AM (1480 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 2:40:32 PM (2192 views)
Re: Advice? - Jay Duncan
6/2/2004 3:11:37 PM (2160 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 4:47:55 PM (2202 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 5:35:50 PM (2166 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:32:59 PM (2156 views)

Re: Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/2/2004 7:51:22 AM (1395 views)
Re: Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 10:09:08 AM (2153 views)

E&O Insurance - Jessica Marshall/NY
6/1/2004 10:22:15 PM (1403 views)
Re: E&O Insurance - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/2/2004 12:12:16 AM (2249 views)

memorial day.., - monica froese/ME
5/31/2004 12:36:48 AM (1143 views)


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Where is Scott? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 3:46:43 PM (1170 views)

The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/30/2004 12:49:13 PM (1411 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 10:31:09 PM (2330 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:42:35 PM (2308 views)

Just to set the record straight! - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 4:17:55 AM (1597 views)
Re: Just to set the record straight! - Kristi Lee/NE
6/2/2004 12:41:26 PM (2461 views)

Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 7:41:12 PM (1506 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 11:10:16 PM (2461 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 5:55:29 AM (2449 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 7:44:16 PM (2445 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/1/2004 4:49:14 AM (2414 views)

not working tonight...part 2 - monica froese/ME
5/28/2004 4:51:57 PM (1367 views)
Re: not working tonight...part 2 - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 6:54:00 PM (2276 views)

THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:15:35 AM (1425 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION, part 1 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:41:10 AM (2456 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 2 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:56:13 AM (2441 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 10:18:33 AM (2387 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 11:43:16 AM (2456 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 12:36:02 PM (2355 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (2457 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:14:04 PM (2454 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 3:21:56 PM (2350 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/28/2004 4:08:12 PM (2374 views)
Re: My small comments - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 8:00:51 PM (2440 views)
Re: My small comments - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:46:00 PM (2334 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 11:03:17 AM (2359 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 12:57:23 PM (2401 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 1:37:03 PM (2385 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:55:15 PM (2380 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:12:22 PM (2411 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:32:57 PM (2392 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:56:08 PM (2376 views)
Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 6:05:20 PM (2397 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 9:56:31 AM (2323 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 12:24:43 PM (2264 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 1:52:47 PM (2312 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/29/2004 2:28:05 PM (2279 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 3:26:56 PM (2230 views)
Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 6:49:00 PM (2254 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/29/2004 4:46:33 PM (2314 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 8:35:16 PM (2292 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/30/2004 2:52:13 AM (2293 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:22:28 PM (2268 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 7:48:48 PM (2270 views)

I don't assume this at all Judy. In fact, I assume that you are doing just what you said you are doing, trying to make a living.

You are not a Charlatan, neither are you an abstractor. You may be some day, maybe even a great one.

Do you remember when you first came on this site a couple of months ago? You were asking for a mentor. You knew then that you were not qualified to accept orders as an abstractor. You knew that you needed help and you made an honest appeal here for that help.

You may not believe me now but I was considering offering you whatever help I could in a private email. I checked out your web site and found your claim of being not only a abstractor, but an insured abstractor with many years of experience. Curious to me why you would so honestly and humbly seek a mentor here on SOT while telling potential clients that you were in fact already an insured abstractor with many years of experience. So I checked out your listing here on SOT only to find that here you not only claimed all the above but added "a coach to abstractors".

If you were all of these things you obviously did not need a mentor. In fact, wouldn't "a coach to abstractors" be very similar to a mentor? So I never sent that email offer.

I watched to when you posted that you were just trying to make a living and did not intend to take business from anyone. I believed you were sincere but couldn't see the logic of your statement. Where did you think your clients would be coming from? The clients we serve are already being served by someone. Most likely someone with years of experience and satifactory service. What would you offer these clients that they were not already being given? The living you were trying to make could only come from the living someone else had built over many years. You cannot offer the same service the experienced abstractors are already giving. Eventually, no matter how well intentioned and honest you may be you will be forced to either make claims you cannot back up or offer undercut fees to compensate for your lack of experience.

My advice to you had I sent that email would have been to either gain the experience you need by working for an experienced abstractor, title company or attorney. If this was not an option you might have done document retrieval or data acquisition until you gained enough experience to feel comfortable doing a few of the less demanding searches if you let your client know in advance that you were inexperienced. Your clients might have even helped you if they knew in advance that you had really never done this type of work before.

Yes, there always be new people claiming to be abstractors. They will come and they will go. I've seen many over the years. The ones who stay are usually the ones who treat their clients honestly and professionally. The ones who go leave in their wake confusion about what an abstractor is and the service we provide. Clients are often left with large lawsuits resulting from their belief in a new "abstractor" who wasn't an abstractor and now never will be.

Now, the new people claiming to be qualified abstractors need not even be in the same county as the experienced abstractors. They don't even have to be in the same country according to the offshore outsource companies. After all, they are just "new abstractors" too. Just trying to make a living and not wanting to take business away from anyone.

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Re: Bottom Line - monica froese/ME
5/29/2004 9:56:04 PM (2181 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 12:46:59 AM (2212 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/30/2004 3:58:09 AM (2209 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Bill Elliott/NC
6/5/2004 4:37:09 PM (2201 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:44:12 AM (2246 views)

I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:09:38 PM (1438 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Slade Smith/OH
5/28/2004 2:02:23 AM (3079 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 12:12:10 PM (2242 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 10:22:57 AM (2237 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:46:13 AM (2210 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:25:19 PM (2115 views)

watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 9:28:39 PM (1322 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 9:35:44 PM (2050 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 10:03:58 PM (2024 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 8:34:32 AM (2017 views)

WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Cleofi Blass/NJ
5/27/2004 7:46:47 AM (1550 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:56:37 AM (2285 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2004 9:43:31 AM (2188 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2004 11:27:51 AM (2164 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2004 10:55:17 PM (2107 views)
Nothing - IMHO - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2004 11:44:26 AM (2170 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 3:00:02 PM (2138 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:49:57 PM (2053 views)
David a reminder? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:16:07 AM (2042 views)
Re: David a reminder? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 1:09:57 PM (1944 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/27/2004 4:57:18 PM (2042 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:15:05 PM (2014 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:47:45 PM (2037 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:05:28 PM (1987 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (2019 views)
Re: Hey Kurt............ - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:13:14 AM (2025 views)
Re: Hey Kurt......One more thing...... - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:16:03 AM (2002 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/31/2004 4:17:13 PM (2045 views)

HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Abstractor Conference
5/24/2004 9:02:57 PM (1527 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - monica froese/ME
5/24/2004 9:27:04 PM (2026 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/24/2004 10:11:42 PM (2024 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/25/2004 5:35:19 PM (2008 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/25/2004 5:42:03 PM (2035 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan/MO
5/25/2004 6:23:28 PM (2057 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jessica Marshall/NY
5/25/2004 8:35:09 PM (2038 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/25/2004 11:53:06 PM (2062 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 5:59:01 AM (2050 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:26:29 AM (2043 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/26/2004 9:16:23 PM (2036 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:43:44 AM (2038 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/26/2004 6:36:25 AM (2023 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 10:34:46 AM (2020 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 3:29:37 PM (2059 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/26/2004 4:59:29 PM (2005 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - David Bloys
5/26/2004 6:24:04 PM (2079 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2004 11:21:12 AM (2057 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:10:22 PM (2024 views)
Re: HELP WANTED ON THE CONFERENCE MESSAGE BOARD - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 9:56:31 PM (1975 views)


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