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Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
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Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
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SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - John PAxton/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
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Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
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I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
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Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
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Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Amen to Doug's posting:  If you are not local you are probably not running the records properly. 
I agree very much with this. This is why when I set up  This was the sentiment of my clients when they asked for referrals to abstractors outside of the counties we serve. Remote access was not of much concern if the company or county providing the access would stand behind the accuracy. They also wanted local abstractors who would be aware of any differences between in the available data available remotely and that which could only be provided at the courthouse. I set up the Texas Directory of Independent Local Abstractors and Researchers TXDILAR to provide my clients with a directory that would list only those abstractors who lived in or near the counties they served. Because of the expanse and number of Texas Counties this limit was placed at 120 miles.I don't know if any of these abstractors are doing online searches but I do know they at least have the ability to do the searches at the courthouse. They are also more likely to know the differences of what can and cannot be done remotely.

When I looked at the Heineman scam, two of the rural counties that I search were not hit
This is the same situation I found here in Texas. I searhced the offline indexes of about 20 counties that were in my territory and asked other local abstractors to do the same as they visited the other counties. None of the offline counties contained the suspect files. When I went online, I found every county I searched contained one or more. I don't know if this was because Heineman used the online sources to search for victims, if they used the online sources because these could be searched remotely, or if this was just a function of more population in the online counties.

My concerns about "online" access are with the government agencies who allow it more than abstractors who may access it. Many of these agencies do not seem to realize the harm they are causing the citizens of their community. Some also seem unaware the Internet reaches far beyond their jurisdiction and control. I think the disclaimers illustrate this. The counties don't want to take responsibility for accuracy they cannot control and the technology companies don't either. In spite of service providers claims of secure sites hackers readily maneuver in, around and through these sites from anywhere in the world. In the past hackers usually didn't stop at unauthorized access. They would often manipulate the data to suit themselves or even take total control over the system. This is what happened when terrorists hacked into a GIS site and used it to display a grissly beheading of an American citizen. If hackers can do this, imagine if they simply deleated or altered a few hundred or a few thousand releases, deeds or mortgages?

Eventually this would be descovered and it could be corrected from backup files. But who knows how much damage might be done before it was discovered? A single hacker might only redact or change tax liens or judgments filed against him or someone who pays him. Any abstractor accessing the database online would be unaware the documents existed. But abstractor and his client might be held responsible when the error was found if the officials records had been refreshed from backup and showed the missing document.

I have similar concerns regarding the bulk transfer of the public records to outside parties for commercial use. In Florida, the laws were changed to allow their citizens to have sensitive information redacted from the online records. Governor Jeb Bush himself availed himself of this law to have his and his wife's social security number redacted from the online record displayed in the image of a deed. But this redaction only applies to the online records as displayed by the county. It had no effect on the hundreds of copies that have been bought in bulk, aggregated, for display and sale over the Webb.

The solution seems very simple to me. Remote access can be allowed but it must be controlled within the jurisdiction. Is not possible to control digitized images displayed over the Internet or sold in bulk. Once they are released in bulk this way, they are gone forever. The county loses revenue, professionals lose the accurate and responsible source provided by the county, and their citizens lose their identity and security.

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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:26:35 AM (2227 views)

A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
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Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - christine hughes/MA
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
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not paying? - tb/NJ
4/8/2005 6:53:33 PM (2285 views)
Re: not paying? - Aimee Raines Raines/VA
4/12/2005 7:25:38 PM (2612 views)


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