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Heading to Florida - Jay Duncan
3/24/2005 6:42:22 PM (1844 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Barbara Bennett/IN
3/24/2005 6:48:04 PM (2264 views)
Disney Hints and Tips - Cathy Iffergan/TX
3/24/2005 7:11:05 PM (2220 views)
Re: Disney Hints and Tips - Robert Breakell/CT
3/24/2005 8:46:00 PM (2231 views)
Re: Disney Hints and Tips - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 11:01:08 PM (2236 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Catherine Iffergan/TX
3/25/2005 10:10:17 AM (2208 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
3/26/2005 10:20:52 AM (2243 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Jay Duncan/MO
3/30/2005 10:43:05 AM (2079 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/31/2005 9:25:29 PM (2084 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/2/2005 11:31:03 PM (2151 views)
Re: Heading to Florida - Jay Duncan
4/4/2005 8:29:50 AM (2073 views)

Hey Kevin! - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/24/2005 11:33:43 AM (1742 views)
Re: Hey Kevin! - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/24/2005 2:45:55 PM (2180 views)
Re: Hey Kevin! - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/24/2005 5:58:28 PM (2171 views)
Re: Hey Kevin! - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/24/2005 9:38:31 PM (2147 views)
Re: Hey Kevin! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 10:58:56 PM (2156 views)
Re: Hey Kevin! - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/25/2005 11:55:41 PM (2181 views)

State Farm Insurance - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 9:43:58 AM (1859 views)
Re: State Farm Insurance - Spencer Kinsey/AR
3/24/2005 2:51:00 PM (2243 views)
Re: State Farm Insurance - David Chisolm/MS
3/25/2005 11:42:42 PM (2203 views)
Re: State Farm Insurance - Amanda Fuller/TX
3/25/2005 1:17:27 AM (2268 views)
Re: State Farm Insurance - Spencer Kinsey/AR
3/25/2005 9:56:54 AM (2224 views)
Re: State Farm Insurance - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 10:07:13 AM (2189 views)

The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 9:43:48 AM (1932 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 9:53:59 AM (1863 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 10:00:50 AM (1866 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 10:09:49 AM (1814 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 10:28:48 AM (2676 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 10:40:42 AM (1816 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - george Hubka/MI
3/24/2005 8:48:01 PM (1736 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Jay Duncan
3/24/2005 10:41:09 AM (1842 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 10:43:34 AM (1826 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Jay Duncan
3/24/2005 11:19:44 AM (1804 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Karen Hollenbeck/MI
3/24/2005 7:04:04 PM (1795 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Deborah Manion/VA
3/24/2005 10:53:55 AM (1770 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Deborah Manion/VA
3/24/2005 11:03:18 AM (1768 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/24/2005 3:28:14 PM (1821 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - David Bloys/TX
3/24/2005 11:05:02 AM (1799 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 12:30:34 PM (1805 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 1:36:33 PM (1774 views)

I have received additional emails which make this post necessary.


I AM NOT disrespecting any quality abstractors out there that offer a $35.00 price tag.

I was simply noting what my research has shown me based upon 100's of companies that I have worked with, looked into working with or will NOT work with.   I have plenty of FANTASTIC abstracting companies that provide me great turn time - great quality - email - during-the-day-contact method, etc for $35.00.

This was more of a wake up call for those companies that are providing good service but are marking their prices too low.  Nobody SHOULD BE offering an insured current owner product for under $50.00.  Is that realistic at this point, maybe not, but I still believe that is the low-end.

The reality is that searches are now based at a $35.00 rate and anybody trying to get more $ has got to be offering something spectacular.  But from an employer standpoint.  It is very difficult to make any money at $35.00.  It costs money to run a company.  That is something a lot of independents don't understand until they are already in business selling at $35 and can't pay all their bills.  I've seen quite a few companies fold because of this exact short-sightedness.  Only after being in business for 6 months or so do they realize all the costs.

3 searches at $35.00 = $105.00

2 counties about 60 miles @ $.375 per mile = $22.50
Insurance (?$1.00 per order?) = $3.00
The free deeds (5 pgs @ $1.00) = $5.00
Equipment / Supplies (fax, phone line, service fees, toner, paper) = $10.00
Taxes (just social security at 15.3%, you pay both 1/2's) = $15.00

You get paid $105.00 but it cost you $55.50 so you actually get a whooping $49.50.  Oh yeah it takes about 3 hours, so what are you actually left with.

$16.50 / hour

Based upon 1 order per hour you make about $16.50 but what if you are only getting a few orders per day.  You actually have to divide the days net by 8 hours.  If you get 8 orders and make $16.50 you make $16.50 an hour but if you only get 4 orders a day you would actually only be making $8.25 per hour or a little over minimum wage.

It doesn't seem like anything's left over because there really isn't.  You didn't do proper mathematics and research before costing your product at $35.00.  

And you are probably struggling to make it.


Robb, Grand Info, LLC

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Re: The Grand Pecking Order - george Hubka/MI
3/24/2005 8:59:03 PM (1749 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/24/2005 9:53:06 PM (1780 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Franco/OH
3/24/2005 4:07:30 PM (1787 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Breakell/CT
3/24/2005 6:41:37 PM (1775 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Karen Hollenbeck/MI
3/24/2005 7:01:25 PM (1707 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - christine hughes/MA
3/24/2005 8:07:51 PM (1724 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - george Hubka/MI
3/24/2005 9:13:27 PM (1788 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 11:37:23 PM (1717 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 8:35:38 AM (1679 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 8:45:44 AM (1710 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - george Hubka/MI
3/25/2005 7:37:20 PM (1644 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 8:59:00 AM (1723 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/25/2005 9:09:00 AM (1744 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 9:31:37 AM (1640 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 10:02:45 AM (1643 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Breakell/CT
3/25/2005 11:19:32 AM (1640 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 11:10:11 AM (1685 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - David Bloys/TX
3/25/2005 10:29:22 AM (1709 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 10:34:31 AM (1597 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 11:01:21 AM (1566 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 11:21:05 AM (1676 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 11:27:17 AM (1609 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 11:40:11 AM (1612 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/25/2005 11:57:40 AM (1605 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/25/2005 12:23:57 PM (2359 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Norean Cashwell/GA
3/27/2005 12:51:41 PM (1560 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/28/2005 10:15:03 AM (1509 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Franco/OH
3/25/2005 2:23:10 PM (1536 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/25/2005 5:08:24 PM (1547 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - george Hubka/MI
3/25/2005 7:48:41 PM (1383 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Franco/OH
3/25/2005 11:21:31 PM (1252 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Michaela Urban/OH
3/25/2005 5:50:01 PM (1300 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/25/2005 6:10:25 PM (1211 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/26/2005 10:51:57 AM (1197 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robert Franco/OH
3/27/2005 1:00:38 AM (1093 views)
Re: The Grand Pecking Order - Robb Grandon/OH
3/28/2005 11:03:35 AM (941 views)

Title Direct - Jacqueline Costa/RI
3/24/2005 9:31:03 AM (1455 views)


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Amerisearch - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/23/2005 11:17:22 PM (1854 views)
Re: Amerisearch - David Chisolm/MS
3/24/2005 12:08:49 AM (1938 views)
Re: Amerisearch - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/24/2005 11:22:30 AM (1892 views)
Re: Amerisearch - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
3/25/2005 6:20:10 PM (1985 views)

Peace at last - David Chisolm/MS
3/23/2005 9:56:08 PM (1468 views)

Abbreviated Legals - Jay Duncan/MO
3/23/2005 3:32:20 PM (1808 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Michaela Urban/OH
3/23/2005 4:11:01 PM (2096 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Barbara Bennett/IN
3/23/2005 5:05:59 PM (2054 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/23/2005 5:37:57 PM (2061 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/23/2005 6:37:42 PM (2083 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Jay Duncan
3/23/2005 7:53:15 PM (2121 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Cathy Iffergan/TX
3/23/2005 8:31:20 PM (2117 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - george Hubka/MI
3/23/2005 9:28:48 PM (2139 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Robert Franco/OH
3/23/2005 9:42:10 PM (2015 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Helene/GA
3/23/2005 9:56:33 PM (2041 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 9:00:15 AM (2106 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - Susie/OH
3/24/2005 7:32:35 PM (2034 views)
Re: Abbreviated Legals - george Hubka/MI
3/24/2005 9:02:43 PM (2094 views)

Speaking of min. wage....... - Cathy Iffergan/TX
3/23/2005 2:06:31 PM (1781 views)
Re: Speaking of min. wage....... - george Hubka/MI
3/23/2005 2:33:50 PM (2172 views)
Re: Speaking of min. wage....... - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
3/23/2005 3:03:50 PM (2174 views)
Re: Speaking of min. wage....... - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/23/2005 5:23:39 PM (2164 views)
Re: Speaking of min. wage....... - David Bloys/TX
3/23/2005 7:01:27 PM (3100 views)
Re: Speaking of min. wage....... - Cathy Iffergan/TX
3/23/2005 8:21:54 PM (2146 views)
This is it, I promise - Cathy Iffergan/TX
3/24/2005 1:00:10 PM (2131 views)
Re: This is it, I promise - Barbara Bennett/IN
3/24/2005 3:18:12 PM (2115 views)

Pre Foreclosure - Amanda Fuller/TX
3/23/2005 1:50:46 PM (1787 views)
Re: Pre Foreclosure - Doug Hollowell/TX
3/23/2005 6:51:03 PM (2247 views)
Re: Pre Foreclosure - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/23/2005 6:58:43 PM (2181 views)
Re: Pre Foreclosure - Doug Hollowell/TX
3/29/2005 6:35:58 PM (2170 views)
Re: Pre Foreclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/30/2005 5:37:37 AM (2086 views)

geographical locations?? - Donna Grady/NC
3/22/2005 11:04:17 PM (1775 views)
Re: geographical locations?? - Robert Franco/OH
3/22/2005 11:21:48 PM (2275 views)
Re: geographical locations?? - Shannon Blatt/VA
3/23/2005 12:40:47 AM (2311 views)
Re: geographical locations?? - David Bloys/TX
3/23/2005 7:24:39 AM (2171 views)
Re: geographical locations?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/23/2005 6:45:42 PM (2210 views)

Marginal Notation - Robert Franco/OH
3/22/2005 6:18:19 PM (2206 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/22/2005 7:12:24 PM (2364 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Robert Franco/OH
3/22/2005 7:18:46 PM (2381 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Doug Hollowell/TX
3/22/2005 7:16:00 PM (2402 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Bernie O'Hare/PA
3/23/2005 9:06:10 AM (2489 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Robert Franco/OH
3/23/2005 10:40:01 AM (2331 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
3/23/2005 3:12:03 PM (2339 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Michaela Urban/OH
3/23/2005 3:36:33 PM (2412 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Robert Franco/OH
3/23/2005 9:46:09 PM (2369 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - george Hubka/MI
3/23/2005 9:49:42 PM (2363 views)
Re: Marginal Notation - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/24/2005 9:31:22 AM (2385 views)

oh..can you imagine the courage... - Loretta Reed/MD
3/22/2005 4:57:34 PM (1890 views)
Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/22/2005 5:02:11 PM (2446 views)
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Jay Duncan
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Jodi Earls/MI
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - American Title/NE
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - American Title/NE
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Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/23/2005 6:51:05 PM (2261 views)
Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Loretta Reed/MD
3/23/2005 9:30:18 PM (2329 views)
Re: oh..can you imagine the courage... - Karen Hollenbeck/MI
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Collection Help - Jay Duncan
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Re: Collection Help - Jay Duncan
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Re: Collection Help - Jay Duncan
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Re: Collection Help - Jay Duncan
3/22/2005 3:53:46 PM (2229 views)

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