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Family in harms way again - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 2:43:26 AM (2787 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Scott Perry/PA
9/23/2005 7:53:22 AM (3898 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/23/2005 8:44:45 AM (3915 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:52:19 AM (3910 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Jason Sheppard/PA
9/23/2005 12:49:43 PM (3965 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - J Nisonger/CA
9/29/2005 1:07:40 AM (3828 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Jason Sheppard/PA
9/24/2005 3:02:38 AM (3944 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Scott Perry/PA
9/24/2005 2:44:29 PM (3988 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Jason Sheppard/PA
9/24/2005 3:47:36 PM (3998 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Scott Perry/PA
9/24/2005 4:32:47 PM (4017 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/25/2005 10:14:54 AM (3851 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Scott Perry/PA
9/25/2005 1:05:00 PM (3979 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/25/2005 4:18:44 PM (3822 views)
Re: Family in harms way again - David Bloys/TX
9/25/2005 5:25:50 PM (3870 views)

GLOBAL WARMING ON MARS? - Scott Perry/PA
9/22/2005 7:24:12 PM (2202 views)

Rita Wishes: Best of Luck Texas and Louisiana - Jason Sheppard/PA
9/22/2005 4:57:03 PM (2230 views)

Parts of Ohio land rights now being claimed by Indians - Jason Sheppard/PA
9/22/2005 4:19:59 PM (2072 views)

Gas Prices Going Up Again? - Robert Franco/OH
9/22/2005 11:29:19 AM (3432 views)
Re: Gas Prices Going Up Again? - Danielle Nelson/WI
9/22/2005 2:17:28 PM (3908 views)
Re: Gas Prices Going Up Again? - Scott Perry/PA
9/22/2005 6:21:29 PM (3912 views)


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New Abstractor needs help - Brett/GA
9/22/2005 11:03:41 AM (2711 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - christine/MA
9/22/2005 3:10:01 PM (4191 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - David Bloys/TX
9/22/2005 3:51:56 PM (4201 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - monica froese/ME
9/23/2005 12:02:23 AM (4001 views)
Re: Monica - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:01:12 AM (3995 views)
Re: Monica - monica froese/ME
9/23/2005 3:24:17 PM (4049 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 2:57:50 AM (3977 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Brett Merrill/GA
9/23/2005 9:45:39 PM (3960 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/24/2005 3:41:25 PM (4056 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/25/2005 10:19:26 AM (3979 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Brett Merrill/GA
9/25/2005 6:43:41 PM (3954 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Scott Perry/PA
9/25/2005 8:55:18 PM (3953 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - David Bloys/TX
9/25/2005 9:25:25 PM (3954 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/26/2005 9:13:03 AM (3880 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Helene/GA
9/27/2005 12:02:43 AM (3867 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/27/2005 12:34:18 PM (3800 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
9/27/2005 8:58:59 PM (3774 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/30/2005 1:08:05 PM (3683 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/27/2005 9:32:17 PM (3801 views)
Re: New Abstractor needs help - J Nisonger/CA
9/30/2005 1:21:33 PM (3692 views)

United States Title Corp. - Debra Adkins/VA
9/21/2005 3:51:50 PM (2184 views)

'Thank you - Tammy Knight/MO
9/21/2005 12:47:24 AM (2460 views)
Re: 'Thank you - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2005 10:11:43 AM (3643 views)

Someone e-mailed me - Tammy Knight/MO
9/21/2005 12:45:31 AM (2032 views)

Hey, F. Lee!! - Scott Perry/PA
9/20/2005 9:45:32 PM (2423 views)
Re: Hey, F. Lee!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/21/2005 6:40:18 AM (3648 views)

NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 2:20:51 PM (2441 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
9/20/2005 4:31:09 PM (3796 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 4:36:02 PM (3643 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:19:18 PM (3525 views)
Re: NALTEA Winter Conference... - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 9:01:10 PM (3562 views)

State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:22:26 AM (3504 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Robert Franco/OH
9/20/2005 10:48:12 AM (5220 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:22:05 PM (3546 views)
Re: State of CT raises recording fees 10/05 - Sam Gendusa/FL
9/22/2005 8:03:05 PM (3499 views)

United Docs NY - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:12:20 AM (2106 views)

abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:09:58 AM (2637 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:33:08 PM (3415 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
10/11/2005 10:33:06 PM (3255 views)

Another call from India... - Robert Franco/OH
9/19/2005 10:41:21 AM (2598 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:32 AM (3610 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
9/19/2005 11:55:25 AM (3492 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Joshua Lonon/SC
9/19/2005 3:47:32 PM (3489 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Jay Duncan/MO
9/19/2005 4:22:06 PM (3456 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ellen Malloy/MO
9/19/2005 8:20:32 PM (3484 views)

Robert....

In the last six months, we have gotten three calls and two emails from Indian Outsourcing Companies.  The last one was an email today from "Infinity" claiming to provide 5-16 hour service on all their products on every county in the United States.  They work "24-7" and utilize DataTrace and DataTree...plus some other data providers I didn't recognize.  I hesitate being judgmental - but it is very difficult to understand how they can offer searches, etc without knowledgeable turncoats from this country. Tri County Abstract Inc utilizes Data Trace and Data Tree - but only because it started out as another entity in the counties I serviced - and I was drug screaming and kicking into the "Joint Venture".  Once it became a joint venture, I set about computerizing the county data we had in our office already as a backup - the St Louis County data from the Recorder's office - and using St Louis City's Laredo program to back up the city.  The daily recordings from both of those counties are sent directly to India by First American/Data Trace  - which is then indexed into their database.  I have to be truthful and say that the reliability of Data Trace has spiralled in recent years since that implementation.

Even with those Databases available to us - a trip to the Courthouse is still necessary for judgments.  We have an onsite plant going back to 1973; but anything prior to that must either be researched at the recorder's office or at the title plant facility where DataTrace is now operating. So to provide a complete search, you need access to older information that is just not online.  Data Tree is lacking many documents and far from completion - the copies only go back to 1985, if that far. We make the large majority of copies ourselves.

   I learned many years back that one needs to keep all possibilities open and not rely on one data provider.  Much like a monopolizing utility company - when there are no options - there is no freedom of choice. First American is one of my better clients;  and I don't mean to criticize.  But it would seem to me that a company with the name of "First American" should be the last one to provide access to countries outside of our own.  I think many people on this board are hesitant to speak out about it, as I was, but unless there is an effort somewhere to stop this attempt at monopolization of all phases of the title industry - all of us will be looking for a job and to work for First American; would need to move to India.

   These databases have accumulated years of data from companies in existence for years and years....here it was Land Title, a company whose inhouse indexing goes back to the mid 1800's.  The computer plant is only back to 1985.  The First American/DataTrace entity here approaches title agents with a special program where the title is ordered thru First American and then insured thru First American.  Their fees are higher; but supposedly since they run the title - there will be no problem if a claim arises.  There is something inherantly wrong with a system that allows that; let alone pushes it.  And any agent who believes they have a non-compete with the local First American is sitting on on their head.  The local First American is hidden underneath the agent's paper.  No wonder companies are flipping like dolphins here in St Louis. 

That's just my local story.  Like I said, First American is a client of mine - one not located in the St Louis area.  And I am truly torn between wanting Data Trace and Data Tree to remain available - and wanting to stop the outsourcing of bulk documents out of this country.  Computerization is a necessary evil that we have to contend with.  But I can assure you - the reliability of any title coming from India is not worth the paper it is written on.  Too many glitches in the local public records to really see it all online.

...please excuse my wordiness...but ...there.  I got my humble opinion out in the open.

Ellen M Malloy
Tri County Abstract Inc.

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Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/20/2005 6:41:10 AM (3532 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ron Rooney/SC
9/20/2005 2:00:03 PM (3645 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/21/2005 7:31:16 PM (3409 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/23/2005 8:41:00 AM (4990 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:59:42 AM (3390 views)


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