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Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:17:34 AM (4069 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/19/2008 10:22:21 PM (3619 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Laura Darby/OH
5/20/2008 9:27:12 AM (3535 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Virginia Capps/TN
5/20/2008 6:22:17 PM (3463 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/21/2008 5:54:07 PM (6338 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/21/2008 11:59:20 PM (3409 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/22/2008 12:39:10 PM (3273 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/22/2008 11:51:15 PM (3303 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - . APS/NY
5/23/2008 6:01:44 AM (3405 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:39:05 PM (3187 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:32:54 PM (3125 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/1/2008 7:13:40 AM (3083 views)
Grand Info, etc. - Dave Pell/GA
6/1/2008 4:57:59 PM (3141 views)

I don't post frequently, but I have seen the same broken record of late-paying companies giving excuses about 60 - 90 day payments. While I am posting this under the current thread, the same applies to all the same excuses that have come before, and all that will come after. I do not mean to call out "Robb Grandon" specifically, because there are many others with similar philosophies.

He may be a nice guy with good intentions, but the reality is that "Pay you when we get paid" and "60 - 90 days payment" are both unprofessional ways to do business with abstractor-vendors. Period.

Businesses which handle their payments to abstractor this way, do not use this same policy with other vendors. Phone bills, utility bills, taxes, payroll, etc., are paid promptly. If allowed to go even 60 days, the phones would be cut off, the employees would leave, and it would be dark inside.

An abstractor-vendor is no different than any other vendor. They provided a service, which is due payment. It is not contigent upon payment from any other 3rd party.

Very often, the justification for this payment practice comes in the form of. "...that's the way the business is....."

The real reason for this practice is often that the company is undercapitalized. Operating on a shoestring budget requires that the company wait to get paid before they can afford to pay their vendors. An abstractor is well advised to avoid this type of customer, as they are only one bad week away from being insolvent. The right way to run a company is to have sufficient funds available to handle everyday expenses. You can call it "excess working capital", "operating fund", or any other proper name your accountant likes to use. Really it is simply "enough cash to properly run a business".

Sometimes the end-user company pays late. Sometimes business is slow. Before getting into an industry with this business enviroment, make sure you have the cash to handle this. Otherwise, it is best not to try and get into the business, because as it has been said: "...that's the way the business is.....". Putting this risk and financial liability on your abstractor-vendors is both unprofessional and unfair.

The only other reason a company does this is to float their cash on the backs of vendors. In either case, taking on an abstractor client like these is risky for the abstractor.

When a company that gives reasons such as...

  • "...nothing they could do, this is our accounting policy....."
  • "......Like you I do not make the rules....."

They are saying they have no control over their ability to pay. My question to them would be why do you not have control over your accounting department? Don't they work for you? Just tell them to write the check. There is no "policy" you can't change if you are the boss.

There is no "Rule" that says you can't pay your abstractor immediately. (Except the rule that the bank has that a check will not clear without a sufficient balance.) You either have the money or you don't.

If they cannot control their own internal accounting department, then what hope do they have to collect on their accounts receivable from outside customers? Maybe this is why their abstractors have to wait 90+ days to get paid.

Saying that all your bills are 100% paid up through February is nothing to brag about. That is something worth embarassment. Personal accounts such as mortgage payments would be considered seriously delinquent or in default if paid that late. And business debts, ESPECIALLY TO VALUED INDUSTRY PEERS, should be considered no less important.

The bottom line is that any payment beyond 30 days is late. (Even 30 days is already an extension of free financing to the customer!) Any description of why it is late is simply an excuse. Abstractors, don't fall for it.

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Re: Grand Info, etc. - Robert Franco/OH
6/1/2008 6:08:14 PM (3134 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 6:58:07 PM (3198 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Vikki Moffitt/GA
6/1/2008 7:33:23 PM (3421 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:10 AM (2988 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:15 AM (3070 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/23/2008 7:06:17 AM (3566 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - J Nisonger/CA
5/25/2008 1:29:02 PM (3426 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
5/26/2008 8:07:53 PM (3240 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:21:05 AM (3134 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
5/27/2008 12:04:39 AM (3318 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:46:36 PM (3095 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:38:23 PM (3843 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 9:32:29 PM (3053 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 6:56:59 AM (3279 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:07:19 AM (3337 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 8:06:33 PM (3040 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/9/2008 11:12:54 PM (3035 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/10/2008 12:03:22 AM (3139 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/10/2008 2:21:52 AM (3018 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 3:08:32 AM (3109 views)
One more thing to add... - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:35:40 AM (3144 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 2:04:12 AM (3198 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/10/2008 7:53:22 AM (3024 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:42:36 AM (2977 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 11:37:16 PM (3117 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/11/2008 4:53:19 PM (3137 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:51:49 PM (2963 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 7:57:56 PM (3086 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:57:20 PM (2885 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:52:34 PM (2926 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
6/3/2008 1:41:49 PM (3137 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/3/2008 6:32:57 PM (2994 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
6/24/2008 6:54:25 PM (2986 views)

Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Re: Pilot Search Company - Chuck Y/NY
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Re: Pilot Search Company - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Re: Pilot Search Company - Mark Forbes/NY
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HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
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Re: HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
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ASA Real Estate Services - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/16/2008 8:51:40 AM (3953 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Glenda Hodge/TN
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Try this to find ASA Real Estate Services - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
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Re: ASA Real Estate Services - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:08:56 AM (3740 views)

$50 Million Title Claim - Jeanine Johnson/FL
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Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 6:55:50 AM (3647 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 7:25:23 AM (3833 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 7:59:17 AM (3844 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 11:31:53 AM (3787 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 11:56:40 AM (3754 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:12:02 PM (3705 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:29:45 PM (3716 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 1:33:18 PM (3765 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
5/27/2008 7:33:18 PM (3613 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Virginia Capps/TN
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2008 8:03:07 AM (3455 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Prices - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Advantage Title - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
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Infinity International Processing Services - Lynn Hammett/SC
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Re: Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: DARN Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: 4 Day Work Week? - William Pattison /CA
6/19/2008 2:19:40 PM (3695 views)
Re: 4 Day Work Week? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
6/20/2008 9:29:23 AM (3790 views)
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