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Beaver County Abstract (& Notary Services) - PATRICIA PALMER-ILKO/PA
9/18/2009 7:28:31 PM (3931 views)

Fradulent use of my company name - PATRICIA PALMER-ILKO/PA
9/18/2009 9:40:15 AM (4228 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 9:56:00 AM (5497 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - PATRICIA PALMER-ILKO/PA
9/18/2009 10:48:18 AM (5452 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - Jessica Talley/NJ
9/18/2009 4:16:48 PM (5346 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:49:47 PM (5323 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:47:03 PM (5343 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - PATRICIA PALMER-ILKO/PA
9/18/2009 7:27:20 PM (5386 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 8:53:36 PM (5214 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - Sheila Sten/PA
9/27/2009 8:53:04 PM (4934 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - george Hubka/MI
9/28/2009 4:39:24 AM (5015 views)
Re: Fradulent use of my company name - William Pattison /CA
9/28/2009 11:46:58 AM (5012 views)

2 owner search fees in Michigan - Ellen Maher/MI
9/16/2009 10:14:01 AM (4229 views)
Re: 2 owner search fees in Michigan - george Hubka/MI
9/17/2009 5:54:26 AM (5086 views)
Re: 2 owner search fees in Michigan - Ellen Maher/MI
9/18/2009 10:19:21 AM (5182 views)
Re: 2 owner search fees in Michigan - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:41:48 PM (5139 views)
Re: 2 owner search fees in Michigan - Ellen Maher/MI
9/21/2009 10:40:30 AM (5021 views)

A Sign of the Times - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/15/2009 4:51:47 PM (3506 views)

FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC VIOLATING RESPA - Robert Franco/OH
9/15/2009 10:18:09 AM (4678 views)
Re: FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC VIOLATING RESPA - Robert Franco/OH
9/15/2009 11:02:12 AM (8041 views)
Re: FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC VIOLATING RESPA - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/15/2009 11:35:26 AM (5193 views)
And that is the problem... - Robert Franco/OH
9/15/2009 11:52:07 AM (4957 views)




Condo Owner finds out he's been living in and renovating wrong unit - Edward Huguenin/SC
9/13/2009 11:12:30 PM (5477 views)
Re: Condo Owner finds out he's been living in and renovating wrong unit - Robert Franco/OH
9/14/2009 9:15:33 AM (5477 views)
Re: Condo Owner finds out he's been living in and renovating wrong unit - edward hartung/OH
9/14/2009 7:17:17 PM (5304 views)
Re: Condo Owner finds out he's been living in and renovating wrong unit - Robert Franco/OH
9/15/2009 9:25:34 AM (4994 views)

E & O Info: Thanks Robert! - Scott Olsen/NH
9/11/2009 10:47:44 AM (4084 views)
Re: E & O Info: Thanks Robert! - Robert Franco/OH
9/11/2009 11:12:53 AM (5544 views)
Re: E & O Info: Thanks Robert! - Nils Nelson/ME
9/11/2009 12:45:19 PM (5419 views)
Re: E & O Info: Thanks Robert! - george Hubka/MI
9/14/2009 8:07:06 AM (5280 views)

County Clerk Fees - Ellen Maher/MI
9/11/2009 9:51:20 AM (3938 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/11/2009 10:00:56 AM (5410 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Ellen Maher/MI
9/11/2009 12:07:24 PM (5517 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Nils Nelson/ME
9/11/2009 12:52:53 PM (5297 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/11/2009 1:16:29 PM (5245 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Ellen Maher/MI
9/11/2009 1:55:10 PM (5210 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - george Hubka/MI
9/14/2009 8:00:51 AM (5215 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
9/14/2009 10:14:25 AM (5267 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - William Pattison /CA
9/14/2009 11:41:23 AM (5225 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Brad Bradbury/PA
9/14/2009 1:50:04 PM (5250 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Jessica Talley/NJ
9/14/2009 3:24:07 PM (5212 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 8:54:35 AM (5022 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Jessica Talley/NJ
9/15/2009 9:51:04 AM (5069 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 10:18:14 AM (4851 views)
Re: County Clerk Fees - Nils Nelson/ME
9/14/2009 11:56:07 AM (5029 views)

Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Louise Jackson/SC
9/10/2009 9:12:43 AM (5002 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Brenda Palmer/TN
9/14/2009 3:21:28 AM (5661 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - george Hubka/MI
9/14/2009 8:03:11 AM (5337 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Jennifer/AR
9/14/2009 10:24:12 AM (5380 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Virginia Capps/TN
9/14/2009 11:16:16 AM (5363 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Angela Johnson/NC
2/17/2011 4:48:27 PM (4883 views)
Re: Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Rick Wilkinson/TN
8/8/2011 10:27:38 AM (4528 views)

MSNi - Constance Foye/VA
9/9/2009 9:04:37 PM (4837 views)
Re: MSNi - Kelli Quade/MO
9/10/2009 3:28:14 PM (5174 views)
Re: MSNi - george Hubka/MI
9/11/2009 7:03:50 AM (5162 views)
Re: MSNi - Constance Foye/VA
9/14/2009 12:30:14 PM (5099 views)

Pro-Search, Inc. - Susan McKee/WV
9/9/2009 10:51:23 AM (4589 views)
Re: Pro-Search, Inc. - Elizabeth Helman/PA
9/12/2009 9:22:14 PM (5914 views)

ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
9/4/2009 2:41:01 PM (5784 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/8/2009 1:45:36 PM (5394 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/8/2009 5:09:20 PM (5259 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/9/2009 8:06:24 AM (5329 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/9/2009 8:41:47 AM (5245 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/9/2009 8:58:17 AM (5237 views)

J&L in TX - LAWANDA  MCMILLIAN/AR
9/3/2009 9:34:26 PM (3249 views)

Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/3/2009 1:07:29 PM (3869 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/8/2009 11:22:53 AM (5232 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Michelle White/IL
9/8/2009 12:35:21 PM (5557 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Robert Franco/OH
9/8/2009 1:52:47 PM (5346 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Jessica Obitz/MD
9/15/2009 8:32:35 AM (4889 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 8:58:54 AM (4853 views)

Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/3/2009 1:03:46 AM (4072 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/10/2009 3:53:48 PM (5284 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/15/2009 2:24:40 PM (5285 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/17/2009 1:54:39 PM (6724 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/17/2009 4:24:02 PM (5181 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/17/2009 7:58:09 PM (5278 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:18:49 AM (5324 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 9:27:37 AM (5150 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:59:39 PM (5117 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 6:51:17 PM (5100 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 8:57:45 PM (5150 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/19/2009 11:59:07 PM (5135 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 12:11:37 PM (5210 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:11:33 PM (5263 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:08:37 PM (5189 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 12:35:50 PM (5116 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:24:49 AM (5164 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:50:13 PM (5191 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 2:08:51 PM (5395 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/22/2009 12:30:13 PM (5482 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/22/2009 1:18:21 PM (5238 views)

Yes... probably best to let it drop.  If you want to get involved in these types of transactions, go for it.  I'm not telling you what to do.  I'm just saying that, from a title agents perspective, it is a land flip that most knowledgeable title agents will not want to get involved with.

You clearly do not understand there is substantively no difference between B using the proceeds from C to buy property from A... AND... B borrowing money from YOU to buy the property from A with the requirement that the proceeds from the sale to C must be used to pay YOU.  Clearly, with that kind of requirement the A/B transaction is dependent upon the B/C transaction.  The A/B transaction cannot stand alone because you wouldn't loan the money without the B/C transaction already lined up and ready to go.

You need to re-read your post:

The agreement is that this money is used to fund the A-B and then paid back plus fee in the B-C transaction.  If the B-C transaction falls apart for some reason, the title company nullifies the A-B.

"If the B/C transaction falls apart - the title company nullifies the A/B transaction" - This does not describe a "stand alone transaction."  The A/B transaction necessarily depends on the B/C transaction!  A title agent would have to be nuts to agree to close that transaction.  It is clearly a land flip with all of the badges of fraud that land agents in the middle of federal investigations.  It is precisely the type of transaction that we are trained to spot and avoid. 

You clearly have a dollar signs blinding your vision - you want to loan someone money with a large fee FOR ONE DAY!  Like most get-rich-quick schemes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 

Clanci was clearly correct, you are taking her statement out of context.  Though, perhaps what she should have said in response to your comment ("no one here has experience...and some people have irrational fears") was "It is not fear that prevents us from not doing these transactions, nor is it a lack of experience.  It is past experiences and the laws that govern our business that we follow.”

I don't know how I could make this any more clear... you just don't want to understand.  Clearly you recognize that "each closing has to stand on it's own."  Then you want to contractually obligate the title agent to "nullify" the first transaction if the second deal falls through.  By your own words, the first transaction is dependent on the second transaction, i.e., it does not stand alone.  Your contract would make the title agent a party to a land flip.  Any agent worth his salt would send you packing.

You said:

I didn't really ask for your opinion, I asked for facts about the title business.  But you guys are having difficulty getting the basic facts of my question straight.

You got what you asked for... "My question is just about the details of this contract between the Title Co and the Trans Lender. How is this done exactly?"  You were told that the way you want to structure this deal meets the definition of a land flip and our professional opinion is that we would not get involved.  It is you that does not understand the "basic facts" of your question.  The facts you presented contemplate that the A/B transaction cannot stand alone, yet you insist that it is a stand alone transaction.  You can't have it both ways!    If the A/B transaction is "nullified" if the B/C transaction falls through, it does not stand alone no matter how many times you call it "a stand alone transaction!" 

I'm sorry you didn't like the answer you got.  You are free to go elsewhere and seek other opinions.  Sooner or later you will find someone who doesn't understand land flips and you will get a more favorable response.  Just don't say you weren't warned.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/12/2009 12:28:55 PM (5279 views)


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