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Listing order - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/3/2004 1:56:39 AM (1842 views)
Re: Listing order - Robert Franco/OH
6/3/2004 11:40:47 AM (3619 views)

Best Wishes On Conference - Jan Forster/NC
6/2/2004 9:21:09 PM (2228 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - monica froese/ME
6/2/2004 10:16:02 PM (3886 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:53:13 PM (3940 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Slade Smith/GA
6/2/2004 11:57:46 PM (3926 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:13:44 AM (3856 views)
Re: Best Wishes (one more thing) - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2004 8:17:40 AM (3785 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/3/2004 3:04:31 PM (3927 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/3/2004 11:11:39 AM (3895 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 6:33:01 PM (3952 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/4/2004 7:01:53 PM (3799 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/4/2004 7:24:18 PM (3832 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/6/2004 10:32:58 AM (3819 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/6/2004 3:01:34 PM (3711 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Bill Elliott/NC
6/6/2004 5:52:17 PM (3726 views)
Re: Best Wishes On Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/6/2004 10:36:55 PM (3851 views)

Advice? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 10:20:30 AM (2057 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 2:40:32 PM (3800 views)
Re: Advice? - Jay Duncan
6/2/2004 3:11:37 PM (3715 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 4:47:55 PM (3717 views)
Re: Advice? - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 5:35:50 PM (3775 views)
Re: Advice? - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/2/2004 11:32:59 PM (3670 views)

Re: Conference - Loretta Reed/MD
6/2/2004 7:51:22 AM (1880 views)
Re: Conference - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2004 10:09:08 AM (3667 views)

E&O Insurance - Jessica Marshall/NY
6/1/2004 10:22:15 PM (1899 views)
Re: E&O Insurance - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/2/2004 12:12:16 AM (3754 views)




memorial day.., - monica froese/ME
5/31/2004 12:36:48 AM (1502 views)

Where is Scott? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 3:46:43 PM (1579 views)

The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/30/2004 12:49:13 PM (1975 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 10:31:09 PM (3850 views)
Re: The NALTEA Solution, cont... - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:42:35 PM (3841 views)

Just to set the record straight! - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 4:17:55 AM (2183 views)
Re: Just to set the record straight! - Kristi Lee/NE
6/2/2004 12:41:26 PM (4098 views)

Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 7:41:12 PM (2078 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 11:10:16 PM (4079 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 5:55:29 AM (4053 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 7:44:16 PM (3998 views)
Re: Data Retrieval - Judy Nisonger/CA
6/1/2004 4:49:14 AM (3895 views)

not working tonight...part 2 - monica froese/ME
5/28/2004 4:51:57 PM (1953 views)
Re: not working tonight...part 2 - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 6:54:00 PM (3730 views)

THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:15:35 AM (2032 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION, part 1 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:41:10 AM (4016 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 2 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 9:56:13 AM (4053 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 10:18:33 AM (3877 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 11:43:16 AM (4076 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 12:36:02 PM (3916 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (4002 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:14:04 PM (4009 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 3:21:56 PM (3874 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION part 3 - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/28/2004 4:08:12 PM (3909 views)
Re: My small comments - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2004 8:00:51 PM (4006 views)
Re: My small comments - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2004 5:46:00 PM (3969 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 11:03:17 AM (3909 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 12:57:23 PM (4000 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 1:37:03 PM (3975 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 2:55:15 PM (3980 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:12:22 PM (4076 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - David Bloys
5/28/2004 3:32:57 PM (3906 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 3:56:08 PM (3991 views)
Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 6:05:20 PM (3888 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 9:56:31 AM (3829 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 12:24:43 PM (3846 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 1:52:47 PM (3923 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Jay Duncan
5/29/2004 2:28:05 PM (3800 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/29/2004 3:26:56 PM (3729 views)
Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 6:49:00 PM (3843 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/29/2004 4:46:33 PM (3830 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/29/2004 8:35:16 PM (3828 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Slade Smith/OH
5/30/2004 2:52:13 AM (3817 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:22:28 PM (3709 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys/TX
5/29/2004 7:48:48 PM (3732 views)

I don't assume this at all Judy. In fact, I assume that you are doing just what you said you are doing, trying to make a living.

You are not a Charlatan, neither are you an abstractor. You may be some day, maybe even a great one.

Do you remember when you first came on this site a couple of months ago? You were asking for a mentor. You knew then that you were not qualified to accept orders as an abstractor. You knew that you needed help and you made an honest appeal here for that help.

You may not believe me now but I was considering offering you whatever help I could in a private email. I checked out your web site and found your claim of being not only a abstractor, but an insured abstractor with many years of experience. Curious to me why you would so honestly and humbly seek a mentor here on SOT while telling potential clients that you were in fact already an insured abstractor with many years of experience. So I checked out your listing here on SOT only to find that here you not only claimed all the above but added "a coach to abstractors".

If you were all of these things you obviously did not need a mentor. In fact, wouldn't "a coach to abstractors" be very similar to a mentor? So I never sent that email offer.

I watched to when you posted that you were just trying to make a living and did not intend to take business from anyone. I believed you were sincere but couldn't see the logic of your statement. Where did you think your clients would be coming from? The clients we serve are already being served by someone. Most likely someone with years of experience and satifactory service. What would you offer these clients that they were not already being given? The living you were trying to make could only come from the living someone else had built over many years. You cannot offer the same service the experienced abstractors are already giving. Eventually, no matter how well intentioned and honest you may be you will be forced to either make claims you cannot back up or offer undercut fees to compensate for your lack of experience.

My advice to you had I sent that email would have been to either gain the experience you need by working for an experienced abstractor, title company or attorney. If this was not an option you might have done document retrieval or data acquisition until you gained enough experience to feel comfortable doing a few of the less demanding searches if you let your client know in advance that you were inexperienced. Your clients might have even helped you if they knew in advance that you had really never done this type of work before.

Yes, there always be new people claiming to be abstractors. They will come and they will go. I've seen many over the years. The ones who stay are usually the ones who treat their clients honestly and professionally. The ones who go leave in their wake confusion about what an abstractor is and the service we provide. Clients are often left with large lawsuits resulting from their belief in a new "abstractor" who wasn't an abstractor and now never will be.

Now, the new people claiming to be qualified abstractors need not even be in the same county as the experienced abstractors. They don't even have to be in the same country according to the offshore outsource companies. After all, they are just "new abstractors" too. Just trying to make a living and not wanting to take business away from anyone.

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Re: Bottom Line - monica froese/ME
5/29/2004 9:56:04 PM (3697 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/30/2004 12:46:59 AM (3739 views)
Re: Bottom Line - David Bloys
5/30/2004 3:58:09 AM (3765 views)
Re: Bottom Line - Bill Elliott/NC
6/5/2004 4:37:09 PM (3680 views)
Re: THE NALTEA SOLUTION - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:44:12 AM (3779 views)

I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:09:38 PM (2034 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Slade Smith/OH
5/28/2004 2:02:23 AM (4867 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/28/2004 12:12:10 PM (3878 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Robert Franco/OH
5/28/2004 10:22:57 AM (3825 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - kevin ahern/CT
5/29/2004 6:46:13 AM (3770 views)
Re: I know it is called Source of Title but... - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/29/2004 6:25:19 PM (3599 views)

watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 9:28:39 PM (1871 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 9:35:44 PM (3520 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - monica froese/ME
5/27/2004 10:03:58 PM (3537 views)
Re: watermarks, in search of the true meaning.. - Jay Duncan
5/28/2004 8:34:32 AM (3506 views)

WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Cleofi Blass/NJ
5/27/2004 7:46:47 AM (2129 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 8:56:37 AM (3805 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2004 9:43:31 AM (3614 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2004 11:27:51 AM (3701 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2004 10:55:17 PM (3644 views)
Nothing - IMHO - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2004 11:44:26 AM (3682 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Jay Duncan
5/27/2004 3:00:02 PM (3705 views)
Re: Nothing - IMHO - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:49:57 PM (3463 views)
David a reminder? - Len Page/MA
5/30/2004 3:16:07 AM (3577 views)
Re: David a reminder? - David Nixon/MA
6/2/2004 1:09:57 PM (3407 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/27/2004 4:57:18 PM (3533 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - kevin ahern/CT
5/27/2004 7:15:05 PM (3513 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
5/27/2004 9:47:45 PM (3540 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/27/2004 10:05:28 PM (3581 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/28/2004 2:31:42 PM (3566 views)
Re: Hey Kurt............ - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:13:14 AM (3575 views)
Re: Hey Kurt......One more thing...... - Loretta Reed/MD
5/29/2004 8:16:03 AM (3574 views)
Re: WHATS WRONG WITH NATIONAL COMPANIES? - MARC DAVIS/NY
5/31/2004 4:17:13 PM (3508 views)


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