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Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1796 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (3254 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (3249 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (3257 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (3221 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (3141 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (3169 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (3205 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (3229 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (3234 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (3124 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (3240 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (3240 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (3074 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (3160 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (3228 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (3091 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (3224 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (3112 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (3096 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (3173 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (3038 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (3179 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (3095 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (3033 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (3059 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (3103 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (3053 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (3049 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (3005 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (3029 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (3076 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (3015 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (3061 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2997 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (3028 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2902 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2899 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (4053 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2793 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2886 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (2876 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (2741 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (2766 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1344 views)

Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1723 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/2/2004 5:06:12 PM (3124 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 5:45:08 PM (3042 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:15:03 PM (2981 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan
7/2/2004 7:52:33 PM (2987 views)

ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1962 views)
Re: ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Barbara Bennett/IN
7/2/2004 2:56:20 PM (3141 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1476 views)




Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1481 views)

National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (2031 views)
Re: National Equity Services - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 7:49:38 PM (3416 views)

Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (2045 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/1/2004 5:40:03 PM (3585 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 6:06:46 PM (3516 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2004 6:17:57 PM (3545 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/2/2004 1:20:34 PM (3357 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
7/16/2009 10:39:19 AM (7026 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/2/2004 2:01:11 PM (3456 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:17:23 PM (3460 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/6/2004 12:27:33 PM (3515 views)
Too bad...their loss!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:16:23 PM (3387 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Patricia Palmer/PA
7/7/2004 5:35:43 PM (3578 views)

Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2451 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
6/30/2004 7:56:55 PM (3341 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:17:08 PM (3213 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:33:33 PM (4166 views)

?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1875 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
7/5/2004 11:20:25 AM (3159 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 3:29:09 PM (3227 views)

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (1982 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Amanda Packey/FL
6/30/2004 3:58:00 PM (3317 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Scott Fisher/TN
6/30/2004 6:20:12 PM (3180 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
6/30/2004 9:51:39 PM (3226 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 1:40:28 AM (3459 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:38:23 PM (3229 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
7/2/2004 9:50:35 PM (3094 views)
Unsolicitated Facsimiles - R M/NJ
6/30/2004 10:21:50 PM (4198 views)
Re: Unsolicitated Facsimiles - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:43:36 PM (3126 views)

PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/26/2004 12:48:44 PM (1929 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 2:46:19 PM (3343 views)
Re: PRICING - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2004 10:01:34 AM (3337 views)
Re: PRICING - kevin ahern/CT
6/28/2004 6:03:59 AM (3219 views)
Re: PRICING - L ROLAND/CA
6/28/2004 9:35:52 PM (3227 views)
Re: PRICING - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/28/2004 11:09:59 PM (3194 views)
SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/29/2004 12:13:32 PM (3306 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/29/2004 8:50:09 PM (3320 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 10:09:00 AM (3298 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
6/30/2004 10:36:53 AM (3240 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Loretta Reed/MD
6/30/2004 11:29:01 AM (3265 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
6/30/2004 4:37:44 PM (3197 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 9:38:25 AM (3280 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 11:39:38 AM (3210 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/1/2004 2:23:37 PM (3137 views)
Re: SET THE PRICE! - Tracey/NJ
7/1/2004 7:04:24 PM (3220 views)
Monmouth Tracy - Kurt deVries/FL
7/2/2004 11:10:39 AM (3220 views)
Re: Monmouth Tracy - Tracey/NJ
7/2/2004 4:36:21 PM (3186 views)

Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
6/25/2004 1:34:39 PM (1945 views)
Re: Companies - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/26/2004 12:53:19 AM (3202 views)
Re: Companies - Tammy Elliott/WA
6/26/2004 4:14:20 AM (3166 views)

RE: HOT LIST - Loretta Reed/MD
6/25/2004 10:31:53 AM (1535 views)

6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - R M/NJ
6/25/2004 10:25:29 AM (1927 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2004 11:03:53 AM (3381 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Jay Duncan/MO
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6/25/2004 4:28:57 PM (3195 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Melissa Strang/ME
6/25/2004 4:29:22 PM (3191 views)
Re: 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - Patty Bolden/TX
6/26/2004 3:40:11 PM (3133 views)


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