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New site layout - Slade Smith/OH
8/9/2004 2:37:08 AM (1781 views)
Re: New site layout - Loretta Reed/MD
8/9/2004 8:55:11 AM (3191 views)
Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/9/2004 10:33:11 AM (3200 views)
Re: New site layout - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/9/2004 11:29:03 AM (3207 views)
Re: New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
8/9/2004 11:56:57 AM (3348 views)
Re: New site layout - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:38:22 PM (3224 views)
Re: New site layout - Amanda Packey/FL
8/9/2004 2:48:52 PM (3251 views)
Re: New site layout - Tammy Elliott/WA
8/10/2004 2:02:12 AM (3206 views)
Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/10/2004 10:07:35 AM (3182 views)
Slade question on New site layout - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 5:02:26 PM (3318 views)
Re: Slade question on New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
8/11/2004 12:23:17 AM (3211 views)

What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:36:14 PM (1912 views)
Re: What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:35:24 PM (3304 views)

Merging Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/7/2004 10:28:11 PM (1434 views)

Why aren't we getting paid? - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/5/2004 7:49:35 PM (1982 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/7/2004 9:46:26 AM (3239 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/7/2004 3:33:49 PM (3226 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/7/2004 4:11:45 PM (3228 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:27:08 PM (3200 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/8/2004 11:02:23 PM (3137 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/9/2004 8:53:29 AM (3353 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:30:50 AM (3049 views)

Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 5:00:14 PM (2132 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/5/2004 11:14:02 PM (3371 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/6/2004 11:59:48 AM (3245 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/7/2004 7:41:34 PM (3299 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/9/2004 10:31:27 AM (3236 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:32:25 AM (3126 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/10/2004 10:06:05 AM (3271 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - debra price/UT
8/12/2004 12:16:28 AM (3216 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Gary Hays/FL
2/9/2006 10:11:19 AM (3046 views)




Title Searches - Steve Levinson/FL
8/5/2004 2:20:21 PM (1989 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 4:45:43 PM (3329 views)

I am probably not in the right frame of mind to answer this question at the moment, so let me give you the practical advise I normally would for this question - FIRST.  In my opinion you can NOT be self-taught to abstract.  There are too many things that you can only learn from someone more experienced willing to take the time to teach you.  The issue is further complicated by geography.  Each state and county has their own regulations that govern the real estate records - so a "canned" on-line course is only going to give you the "basics" and that is enought to get you into trouble.  It might be a good start, but you really need a skilled abstractor to teach you the rest.

Next... (my rant for the day) if I had it do over again, I would choose another career.  Everyone else I know gets a raise every year and they get promotions and more benefits.  I have been asked CONTINUALLY by clients to lower my prices (read my post below).  I take my car to a mechanic and they get around $70/hr., maybe I should have taken up a vocation like that.

It seems to me that there is something wrong when I incur HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in liability and get to charge a whopping $45.00!  People rely on our title work to process $100,000 mortgages several times a day and out of the several thousands of dollars that the borrower pays in closing fees, I only get $45 to $100.  My expenses are rising all the time; my E&O insurance is upto nearly $5,000 and I have never had a claim. 

I also think that the real estate records are becoming more and more messed up and it is taking longer to do the searches, but we don't charge on an hourly basis - we have to provide our services for a flat fee.  While the mechanic can say "Gee it took longer than we thought to fix your car, so the bill is a little higher" we just have to move on and accept what we can get.

To make things worse, our clients are now telling us what they are going to pay... many totally disregard the invoice and only pay a portion of our charges.  Often they fail to pay for copies (at $2.00/pg.) or the fax fee when they request something rushed and we have to fax from the courthouse (at $2.00 to $4.00/pg.).    I had a client call me and say that they were only charging thier client $50 and they couldn't pay our $100 fee for a statutory full search.  They got upset when I told them that I couldn't do the search for that.  What were they thinking?

There is something wrong with this industry when the client calls and tells you that they just bid out their work at 25% less to get a big client and they expect you to follow suit.  The problem is there is nobody below us to pass this along to.  I can't call the phone company, the electric company, the E&O company, the county where we charge our copies, etc. and tell them that my clients just lowered our fees so we need them to lower our costs 25%.  The fact is, our costs are constantly rising and our clients are trying to dictate that we work for less.

Sorry for the long rant, but I am disgusted with the direction things are going and it appauls me to hear "well we can get that search for $15 less from so-and-so."  I don't have a problem with competition, but the people who are undercutting our prices take shortcuts and don't do a thorough search, they don't have E&O insurance, they don't know what they are doing... AND MANY OF THE CLIENTS DON'T SEEM TO CARE.  It has become all about price and this is what is causing the degredation of the public real estate records.  They are the reason it is taking longer to do a thorough title search - we have to point out all of the title defects that the last idot caused.

If I knew how to do anything else, I would seriously consider a career change.

Best of luck,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Title Searches - Steve/FL
8/5/2004 5:03:07 PM (3181 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 5:32:39 PM (3263 views)
But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 10:13:27 PM (3338 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Robert Franco/OH
8/6/2004 11:02:54 AM (3177 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Ellen Malloy/MO
8/6/2004 2:34:31 PM (3127 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Steve Levinson/FL
8/6/2004 4:14:10 PM (3138 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Slade Smith/OH
8/6/2004 5:24:21 PM (3197 views)
CERTIFICATION - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:04:42 AM (3111 views)

Northeastern Title Services? - Sean/NH
8/5/2004 8:04:51 AM (1446 views)

NO PAYS - Patty Bolden/TX
8/5/2004 8:00:13 AM (1937 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Michael Solt/PA
8/5/2004 2:55:22 PM (3158 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Kunal Khanna/VA
8/13/2004 1:36:27 PM (3138 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Ronald Seal/NJ
8/16/2004 11:26:41 AM (3319 views)

Any ideas for business cards - Loretta Reed/MD
8/4/2004 10:30:41 PM (1796 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - David Bloys
8/5/2004 9:52:42 AM (3143 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:25:50 PM (3230 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/5/2004 10:03:02 AM (3210 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/6/2004 11:02:56 AM (3147 views)

Starting A Title Co...? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
8/4/2004 8:56:32 PM (1967 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/4/2004 11:22:08 PM (3214 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Amy Holder/NJ
8/5/2004 2:28:19 PM (3120 views)

Questions and more questions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:44:18 PM (1966 views)
Re: Questions and more questions... - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:10:19 AM (3247 views)

Another request to lower fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 11:09:33 AM (2069 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/4/2004 4:47:09 PM (3438 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/4/2004 4:52:19 PM (3431 views)
Because everyone lowers them - Kurt deVries/FL
8/5/2004 1:58:31 PM (3189 views)
Re: Because everyone lowers them - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:30:51 PM (3313 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Robert Breakell/CT
8/5/2004 6:28:40 PM (3260 views)
You wanna play, you gotta pay! - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 9:58:28 PM (3294 views)
ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - Georgette Cope/MT
8/6/2004 1:45:04 PM (3140 views)
Re: ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/9/2004 7:40:40 PM (3298 views)

ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/3/2004 5:51:05 PM (1954 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Scott Perry/PA
8/3/2004 9:00:18 PM (3252 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/3/2004 10:26:14 PM (3229 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/3/2004 10:55:34 PM (3108 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/4/2004 3:19:11 PM (3264 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 4:31:08 PM (3330 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:40:00 PM (3132 views)

Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/2/2004 6:00:46 PM (1928 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/2/2004 6:19:32 PM (3285 views)
Re: Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/3/2004 6:12:52 PM (3201 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:41:28 PM (3262 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 9:58:26 AM (3246 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 4:52:34 PM (3215 views)

Web page and E-mail - NALTEA/MO
8/2/2004 5:30:32 PM (1391 views)


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