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Title Searches - Steve Levinson/FL
8/5/2004 2:20:21 PM (1961 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 4:45:43 PM (3220 views)

I am probably not in the right frame of mind to answer this question at the moment, so let me give you the practical advise I normally would for this question - FIRST.  In my opinion you can NOT be self-taught to abstract.  There are too many things that you can only learn from someone more experienced willing to take the time to teach you.  The issue is further complicated by geography.  Each state and county has their own regulations that govern the real estate records - so a "canned" on-line course is only going to give you the "basics" and that is enought to get you into trouble.  It might be a good start, but you really need a skilled abstractor to teach you the rest.

Next... (my rant for the day) if I had it do over again, I would choose another career.  Everyone else I know gets a raise every year and they get promotions and more benefits.  I have been asked CONTINUALLY by clients to lower my prices (read my post below).  I take my car to a mechanic and they get around $70/hr., maybe I should have taken up a vocation like that.

It seems to me that there is something wrong when I incur HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in liability and get to charge a whopping $45.00!  People rely on our title work to process $100,000 mortgages several times a day and out of the several thousands of dollars that the borrower pays in closing fees, I only get $45 to $100.  My expenses are rising all the time; my E&O insurance is upto nearly $5,000 and I have never had a claim. 

I also think that the real estate records are becoming more and more messed up and it is taking longer to do the searches, but we don't charge on an hourly basis - we have to provide our services for a flat fee.  While the mechanic can say "Gee it took longer than we thought to fix your car, so the bill is a little higher" we just have to move on and accept what we can get.

To make things worse, our clients are now telling us what they are going to pay... many totally disregard the invoice and only pay a portion of our charges.  Often they fail to pay for copies (at $2.00/pg.) or the fax fee when they request something rushed and we have to fax from the courthouse (at $2.00 to $4.00/pg.).    I had a client call me and say that they were only charging thier client $50 and they couldn't pay our $100 fee for a statutory full search.  They got upset when I told them that I couldn't do the search for that.  What were they thinking?

There is something wrong with this industry when the client calls and tells you that they just bid out their work at 25% less to get a big client and they expect you to follow suit.  The problem is there is nobody below us to pass this along to.  I can't call the phone company, the electric company, the E&O company, the county where we charge our copies, etc. and tell them that my clients just lowered our fees so we need them to lower our costs 25%.  The fact is, our costs are constantly rising and our clients are trying to dictate that we work for less.

Sorry for the long rant, but I am disgusted with the direction things are going and it appauls me to hear "well we can get that search for $15 less from so-and-so."  I don't have a problem with competition, but the people who are undercutting our prices take shortcuts and don't do a thorough search, they don't have E&O insurance, they don't know what they are doing... AND MANY OF THE CLIENTS DON'T SEEM TO CARE.  It has become all about price and this is what is causing the degredation of the public real estate records.  They are the reason it is taking longer to do a thorough title search - we have to point out all of the title defects that the last idot caused.

If I knew how to do anything else, I would seriously consider a career change.

Best of luck,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Title Searches - Steve/FL
8/5/2004 5:03:07 PM (3076 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 5:32:39 PM (3154 views)
But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 10:13:27 PM (3234 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Robert Franco/OH
8/6/2004 11:02:54 AM (3085 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Ellen Malloy/MO
8/6/2004 2:34:31 PM (3030 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Steve Levinson/FL
8/6/2004 4:14:10 PM (3047 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Slade Smith/OH
8/6/2004 5:24:21 PM (3075 views)
CERTIFICATION - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:04:42 AM (3016 views)

Northeastern Title Services? - Sean/NH
8/5/2004 8:04:51 AM (1433 views)

NO PAYS - Patty Bolden/TX
8/5/2004 8:00:13 AM (1921 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Michael Solt/PA
8/5/2004 2:55:22 PM (3076 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Kunal Khanna/VA
8/13/2004 1:36:27 PM (3050 views)
Re: NO PAYS - Ronald Seal/NJ
8/16/2004 11:26:41 AM (3232 views)

Any ideas for business cards - Loretta Reed/MD
8/4/2004 10:30:41 PM (1778 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - David Bloys
8/5/2004 9:52:42 AM (3054 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:25:50 PM (3121 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/5/2004 10:03:02 AM (3124 views)
Re: Any ideas for business cards - Brian Whiteford/MD
8/6/2004 11:02:56 AM (3066 views)

Starting A Title Co...? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
8/4/2004 8:56:32 PM (1951 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/4/2004 11:22:08 PM (3117 views)
Re: Starting A Title Co...? - Amy Holder/NJ
8/5/2004 2:28:19 PM (3037 views)




Questions and more questions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:44:18 PM (1952 views)
Re: Questions and more questions... - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:10:19 AM (3099 views)

Another request to lower fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 11:09:33 AM (2053 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/4/2004 4:47:09 PM (3343 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/4/2004 4:52:19 PM (3338 views)
Because everyone lowers them - Kurt deVries/FL
8/5/2004 1:58:31 PM (3112 views)
Re: Because everyone lowers them - Amanda Packey/FL
8/6/2004 4:30:51 PM (3200 views)
Re: Another request to lower fees - Robert Breakell/CT
8/5/2004 6:28:40 PM (3162 views)
You wanna play, you gotta pay! - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 9:58:28 PM (3194 views)
ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - Georgette Cope/MT
8/6/2004 1:45:04 PM (3038 views)
Re: ENRON, ENRON, ENRON!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/9/2004 7:40:40 PM (3201 views)

ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/3/2004 5:51:05 PM (1934 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Scott Perry/PA
8/3/2004 9:00:18 PM (3163 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/3/2004 10:26:14 PM (3104 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/3/2004 10:55:34 PM (3016 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - JOHN COTTON/TX
8/4/2004 3:19:11 PM (3177 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Robert Franco/OH
8/4/2004 4:31:08 PM (3212 views)
Re: ONLINE COURSE - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:40:00 PM (3053 views)

Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/2/2004 6:00:46 PM (1913 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/2/2004 6:19:32 PM (3193 views)
Re: Docupen - John OConnor/IL
8/3/2004 6:12:52 PM (3116 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/4/2004 6:41:28 PM (3175 views)
Re: Docupen - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 9:58:26 AM (3148 views)
Re: Docupen - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 4:52:34 PM (3133 views)

Web page and E-mail - NALTEA/MO
8/2/2004 5:30:32 PM (1375 views)

As of 8/1/2004 Non-Payments clients - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/1/2004 8:28:28 PM (1936 views)
Re: As of 8/1/2004 Non-Payments clients - NALTEA
8/3/2004 6:42:16 PM (2993 views)
Re: As of 8/1/2004 Non-Payments clients - Jay Duncan/MO
8/3/2004 11:24:53 PM (3087 views)
Re: As of 8/1/2004 Non-Payments clients - Kelli Gorman/TX
8/5/2004 12:09:47 PM (3010 views)

I hope this applies..... - Loretta Reed/MD
8/1/2004 7:47:02 PM (1854 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - Jay Duncan
8/2/2004 10:06:30 AM (3206 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - Whitney Lewis/FL
8/2/2004 3:23:19 PM (3048 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - Loretta Reed/MD
8/2/2004 4:50:38 PM (3215 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/2/2004 3:17:37 PM (3019 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - monica froese/ME
8/2/2004 11:12:06 PM (3125 views)
Re: I hope this applies..... - Scott Perry/PA
8/3/2004 8:50:09 PM (3143 views)

Warning! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/31/2004 12:12:34 AM (1916 views)
Re: Warning! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/31/2004 9:31:12 AM (3236 views)

Advanced Technology Article - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/30/2004 6:40:31 PM (1473 views)

DRIVERS LICENSE, etc - Patty Bolden/Tx/TX
7/29/2004 3:46:45 PM (1909 views)
Re: DRIVERS LICENSE, etc - Robert Franco/OH
7/29/2004 4:12:54 PM (3269 views)
Re: DRIVERS LICENSE, etc - Patty Bolden/TX
7/29/2004 4:25:24 PM (3228 views)


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