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Map - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/9/2004 11:35:43 AM (1725 views)
Re: Map - Robert Franco/OH
7/9/2004 11:45:19 AM (2394 views)
Re: Map - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/10/2004 5:41:06 PM (2333 views)
Re: Map - Robert Franco/OH
7/11/2004 7:11:53 PM (2309 views)

ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - ANONYMOUS/NY
7/9/2004 9:50:29 AM (1744 views)
Re: ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - Michael Solt/PA
7/9/2004 3:42:17 PM (2483 views)
Re: ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - Scott Perry/PA
7/10/2004 1:30:56 PM (2504 views)

Purchasing document images - kathy clark/CA
7/8/2004 11:42:52 PM (1745 views)
Re: Purchasing document images - Amanda Packey/FL
7/9/2004 3:53:16 PM (3452 views)
Re: Purchasing document images - Patty Bolden/TX
7/9/2004 6:05:25 PM (2485 views)
Re: Purchasing document images - Amanda Packey/FL
7/12/2004 12:10:03 PM (2480 views)

Data Tree pricing survey - Kathy Clark/CA
7/8/2004 11:40:59 PM (4702 views)
Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Amanda Packey/FL
7/9/2004 3:48:46 PM (2737 views)
Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Michelle Scott/NY
7/11/2004 4:52:10 PM (2602 views)
Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Amanda Packey/FL
7/12/2004 12:08:14 PM (2616 views)

Assignments - Deeann Sligh/SC
7/8/2004 2:14:09 PM (1699 views)
Re: Assignments - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 2:46:53 PM (3613 views)
Re: Assignments - Jay Duncan
7/8/2004 2:56:29 PM (2555 views)
Re: Assignments - David Bloys
7/8/2004 4:58:27 PM (2387 views)
Re: Assignments - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 7:04:34 PM (2414 views)
Re: Assignments - Scott Perry/PA
7/8/2004 7:31:13 PM (2537 views)
Re: Assignments - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/8/2004 8:00:15 PM (2463 views)
Re: Assignments - Ellen Malloy/MO
7/11/2004 10:43:58 AM (2399 views)
Re: Assignments - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/11/2004 3:11:04 PM (2399 views)
Re: Assignments - Scott Perry/PA
7/11/2004 9:57:12 PM (2414 views)
Re: Assignments - Deeann Sligh/SC
7/12/2004 4:52:11 PM (2370 views)




E & O Insurance - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 1:26:05 PM (1603 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:42:40 PM (2346 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 2:43:17 PM (2321 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - kevin ahern/CT
7/10/2004 5:34:02 AM (2330 views)

DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/7/2004 9:42:51 AM (1761 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - George/VA
7/7/2004 1:22:43 PM (2473 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 2:12:13 PM (2518 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:25:42 PM (2570 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/8/2004 10:10:07 AM (2499 views)

Out Sourcing... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2004 8:35:51 AM (1672 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Wanda Steudel/OH
7/7/2004 10:15:30 AM (2636 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Ellen Malloy/MO
7/7/2004 10:42:34 AM (2609 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 12:16:03 PM (2593 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/7/2004 10:20:28 PM (2556 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 11:17:01 PM (2511 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/7/2004 11:39:31 PM (2506 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 12:10:01 AM (2498 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:12:11 AM (2452 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:24:05 AM (2517 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Kelli Gorman/TX
7/13/2004 3:36:00 PM (2439 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/13/2004 4:32:05 PM (2516 views)

Collection Agency for Just Abstractors - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/7/2004 2:00:15 AM (1341 views)

Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 3:02:06 PM (2580 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Alan Voorheis
7/6/2004 3:44:08 PM (2611 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 6:48:45 PM (2549 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:13:29 PM (2586 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/7/2004 1:49:01 PM (2527 views)

Lots of PC on the "Newbies" - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:53:53 PM (1213 views)

Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan
7/5/2004 2:26:09 PM (1577 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:07:46 PM (2470 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/5/2004 6:54:34 PM (2480 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/5/2004 10:28:50 PM (2482 views)

Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1456 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:44:03 PM (2499 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 2:52:32 PM (2359 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:16:33 PM (2405 views)
Re: Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 5:57:19 PM (2394 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/4/2004 6:44:37 PM (2361 views)

It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1496 views)
Re: It is the GRUNT - Datalore/PA
7/4/2004 8:48:23 PM (2391 views)

Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1575 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2389 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2410 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2375 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2361 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2270 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2372 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2322 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2335 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2332 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2290 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2307 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2379 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2292 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2320 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2320 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2284 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2324 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2257 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2245 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2269 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2240 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2283 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2220 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2167 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2205 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2247 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2208 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2220 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2160 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2173 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2198 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2153 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2167 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2123 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2165 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2026 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2061 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3085 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2001 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (1981 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (1935 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (1896 views)


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