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[-] Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA (43 replies)
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1679 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2876 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2892 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2866 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2825 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2757 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2781 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2805 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2833 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2860 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2744 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2817 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2849 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2678 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2751 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2829 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2685 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2850 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2758 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2734 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2755 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2625 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2803 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2707 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2654 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2683 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2716 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2652 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2608 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2641 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2608 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2674 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2653 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2643 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2613 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2651 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2509 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2532 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3619 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2412 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2503 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (2470 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (2350 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (2357 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1274 views)

[+] Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO (4 replies)
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1576 views)

[+] ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC (1 reply)
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1871 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1412 views)


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Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1376 views)

[+] National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ (1 reply)
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (1939 views)

[+] Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN (10 replies)
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (1916 views)

[+] Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH (3 replies)
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2316 views)

[+] ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX (2 replies)
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1742 views)

[+] NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI (8 replies)
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (1877 views)

[+] PRICING - L ROLAND/CA (17 replies)
6/26/2004 12:48:44 PM (1827 views)

[+] Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC (2 replies)
6/25/2004 1:34:39 PM (1822 views)

RE: HOT LIST - Loretta Reed/MD
6/25/2004 10:31:53 AM (1436 views)

[+] 6/25...Happy B-Day to...... - R M/NJ (5 replies)
6/25/2004 10:25:29 AM (1806 views)


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