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Lots of PC on the "Newbies" - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:53:53 PM (1131 views)

Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan
7/5/2004 2:26:09 PM (1469 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:07:46 PM (2170 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/5/2004 6:54:34 PM (2168 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/5/2004 10:28:50 PM (2176 views)

Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1334 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:44:03 PM (2191 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 2:52:32 PM (2085 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:16:33 PM (2098 views)
Re: Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 5:57:19 PM (2097 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/4/2004 6:44:37 PM (2075 views)

It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1377 views)
Re: It is the GRUNT - Datalore/PA
7/4/2004 8:48:23 PM (2120 views)

Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1463 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2091 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2131 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2088 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2100 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2011 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2078 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2055 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2070 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2046 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2019 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2012 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2045 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2004 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (1987 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2013 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2013 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2028 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (1970 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (1981 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (1967 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (1959 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (1990 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (1939 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (1883 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (1909 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (1958 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (1942 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (1932 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (1871 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (1839 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (1903 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (1865 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (1890 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (1825 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (1873 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (1741 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (1784 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (2781 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (1731 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (1717 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (1715 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (1647 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (1621 views)




HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1077 views)

Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1359 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/2/2004 5:06:12 PM (1915 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 5:45:08 PM (1882 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:15:03 PM (1803 views)
Re: Happy 4th!!! - Jay Duncan
7/2/2004 7:52:33 PM (1794 views)

ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1633 views)
Re: ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Barbara Bennett/IN
7/2/2004 2:56:20 PM (2049 views)

to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1221 views)

Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1163 views)

National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (1680 views)
Re: National Equity Services - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 7:49:38 PM (2235 views)

Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (1667 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/1/2004 5:40:03 PM (2405 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 6:06:46 PM (2330 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2004 6:17:57 PM (2426 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN
7/2/2004 1:20:34 PM (2303 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
7/16/2009 10:39:19 AM (1837 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/2/2004 2:01:11 PM (2297 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/2/2004 6:17:23 PM (2318 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/6/2004 12:27:33 PM (2298 views)
Too bad...their loss!! - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:16:23 PM (2252 views)
Re: Service Link out of PA? - Patricia Palmer/PA
7/7/2004 5:35:43 PM (2314 views)

Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2018 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
6/30/2004 7:56:55 PM (2153 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:17:08 PM (2079 views)
Re: Abstractor Associations - Jay Duncan/MO
6/30/2004 9:33:33 PM (3023 views)

?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1467 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX
7/5/2004 11:20:25 AM (2083 views)
Re: ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 3:29:09 PM (2088 views)

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (1626 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Amanda Packey/FL
6/30/2004 3:58:00 PM (2185 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Scott Fisher/TN
6/30/2004 6:20:12 PM (2197 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
6/30/2004 9:51:39 PM (2131 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/1/2004 1:40:28 AM (2154 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:38:23 PM (2110 views)
Re: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - monica froese/ME
7/2/2004 9:50:35 PM (2121 views)
Unsolicitated Facsimiles - R M/NJ
6/30/2004 10:21:50 PM (3083 views)
Re: Unsolicitated Facsimiles - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/2/2004 9:43:36 PM (2115 views)


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