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[+] It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO (1 reply)
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1505 views)

[-] Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA (43 replies)
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1579 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2415 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2431 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2389 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2379 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2281 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2393 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2332 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2349 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2360 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2308 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2344 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2397 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2311 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2346 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2344 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2300 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2352 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2290 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2269 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2308 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2267 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2324 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2237 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2182 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2222 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2260 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2220 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2239 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2176 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2183 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2236 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2190 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2187 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2147 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2187 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2043 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2082 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3103 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2014 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2021 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (1992 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (1956 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (1908 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1170 views)

[+] Happy 4th!!! - Ellen/MO (4 replies)
7/2/2004 4:39:43 PM (1473 views)

[+] ATC - Accelerated Title Co - Teresa Beeman/NC (1 reply)
7/2/2004 10:24:33 AM (1760 views)




to the best contact person, happy b-day - monica froese/ME
7/1/2004 10:20:23 PM (1309 views)

Order your NALTEA Business Cards for your... - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH
7/1/2004 7:32:09 PM (1261 views)

[+] National Equity Services - Michelle/NJ (1 reply)
7/1/2004 7:26:55 PM (1801 views)

[+] Service Link out of PA? - Douglas Johnson/MN (10 replies)
7/1/2004 4:48:55 PM (1787 views)

[+] Abstractor Associations - National Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstrac/OH (3 replies)
6/30/2004 5:58:21 PM (2165 views)

[+] ?? Pricing the mileage ?? - Patty Bolden/TX (2 replies)
6/30/2004 4:29:58 PM (1587 views)

[+] NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF TITLE PROS - julie jasiunas/WI (8 replies)
6/30/2004 12:42:13 PM (1757 views)

[+] PRICING - L ROLAND/CA (17 replies)
6/26/2004 12:48:44 PM (1704 views)

[+] Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC (2 replies)
6/25/2004 1:34:39 PM (1684 views)

RE: HOT LIST - Loretta Reed/MD
6/25/2004 10:31:53 AM (1311 views)


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