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Map - Teresa Beeman/NC
7/9/2004 11:35:43 AM (1548 views)
Re: Map - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Map - Teresa Beeman/NC
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Re: Map - Robert Franco/OH
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ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - ANONYMOUS/NY
7/9/2004 9:50:29 AM (1567 views)
Re: ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - Michael Solt/PA
7/9/2004 3:42:17 PM (2069 views)
Re: ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - Scott Perry/PA
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Purchasing document images - kathy clark/CA
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Re: Purchasing document images - Amanda Packey/FL
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Re: Purchasing document images - Patty Bolden/TX
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Re: Purchasing document images - Amanda Packey/FL
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Data Tree pricing survey - Kathy Clark/CA
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Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Amanda Packey/FL
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Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Michelle Scott/NY
7/11/2004 4:52:10 PM (2190 views)
Re: Data Tree pricing survey - Amanda Packey/FL
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Assignments - Deeann Sligh/SC
7/8/2004 2:14:09 PM (1513 views)
Re: Assignments - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 2:46:53 PM (3087 views)
Re: Assignments - Jay Duncan
7/8/2004 2:56:29 PM (2114 views)
Re: Assignments - David Bloys
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Re: Assignments - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 7:04:34 PM (1971 views)
Re: Assignments - Scott Perry/PA
7/8/2004 7:31:13 PM (2077 views)
Re: Assignments - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/8/2004 8:00:15 PM (2015 views)
Re: Assignments - Ellen Malloy/MO
7/11/2004 10:43:58 AM (1957 views)
Re: Assignments - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/11/2004 3:11:04 PM (1965 views)
Re: Assignments - Scott Perry/PA
7/11/2004 9:57:12 PM (1969 views)
Re: Assignments - Deeann Sligh/SC
7/12/2004 4:52:11 PM (1947 views)


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E & O Insurance - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 1:26:05 PM (1397 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:42:40 PM (1946 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Kurt deVries/FL
7/8/2004 2:43:17 PM (1885 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - kevin ahern/CT
7/10/2004 5:34:02 AM (1897 views)

DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ
7/7/2004 9:42:51 AM (1556 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - George/VA
7/7/2004 1:22:43 PM (2057 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 2:12:13 PM (2114 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:25:42 PM (2151 views)
Re: DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/8/2004 10:10:07 AM (2064 views)

Out Sourcing... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2004 8:35:51 AM (1489 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Wanda Steudel/OH
7/7/2004 10:15:30 AM (2217 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Ellen Malloy/MO
7/7/2004 10:42:34 AM (2206 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 12:16:03 PM (2169 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/7/2004 10:20:28 PM (2148 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 11:17:01 PM (2121 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/7/2004 11:39:31 PM (2118 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 12:10:01 AM (2103 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:12:11 AM (2070 views)
Re: ONLINE DATA - James Guill/VA
7/8/2004 1:24:05 AM (2111 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Kelli Gorman/TX
7/13/2004 3:36:00 PM (2063 views)
Re: Out Sourcing... - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/13/2004 4:32:05 PM (2119 views)

Collection Agency for Just Abstractors - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/7/2004 2:00:15 AM (1172 views)

Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 3:02:06 PM (1480 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Alan Voorheis
7/6/2004 3:44:08 PM (2181 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/6/2004 6:48:45 PM (2109 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2004 10:13:29 PM (2140 views)
Re: Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA
7/7/2004 1:49:01 PM (2104 views)

Lots of PC on the "Newbies" - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:53:53 PM (1108 views)

Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan
7/5/2004 2:26:09 PM (1409 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:07:46 PM (2030 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/5/2004 6:54:34 PM (2014 views)
Re: Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/5/2004 10:28:50 PM (2034 views)

Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1276 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:44:03 PM (2037 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 2:52:32 PM (1935 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:16:33 PM (1946 views)
Re: Community College Classes - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 5:57:19 PM (1943 views)
Re: Community College Classes - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/4/2004 6:44:37 PM (1933 views)

It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1319 views)
Re: It is the GRUNT - Datalore/PA
7/4/2004 8:48:23 PM (1953 views)

Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1401 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (1930 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (1967 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (1927 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (1942 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (1854 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (1915 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (1896 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (1911 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (1886 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (1856 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (1855 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (1888 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (1846 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (1822 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (1847 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (1851 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (1866 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (1808 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (1823 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (1807 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (1792 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (1832 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (1781 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (1721 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (1748 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (1796 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (1773 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (1774 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (1707 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (1683 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (1741 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (1704 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (1725 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (1670 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (1713 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (1587 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (1623 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (2610 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (1571 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (1553 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (1555 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (1485 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (1461 views)


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