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[+] ABSTRACTERS OF AMERICA - ANONYMOUS/NY (2 replies)
7/9/2004 9:50:29 AM (1890 views)

[+] Purchasing document images - kathy clark/CA (3 replies)
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[+] Data Tree pricing survey - Kathy Clark/CA (3 replies)
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[+] Assignments - Deeann Sligh/SC (10 replies)
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[+] E & O Insurance - Kurt deVries/FL (3 replies)
7/8/2004 1:26:05 PM (1701 views)


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[+] DOCUMENT RETRIEVAL - CLEOFI BLASS/NJ (4 replies)
7/7/2004 9:42:51 AM (1892 views)

[+] Out Sourcing... - Jay Duncan/MO (11 replies)
7/7/2004 8:35:51 AM (1822 views)

Collection Agency for Just Abstractors - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
7/7/2004 2:00:15 AM (1433 views)

[+] Using a laptop to search - Annette Dorty/PA (4 replies)
7/6/2004 3:02:06 PM (2736 views)

Lots of PC on the "Newbies" - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:53:53 PM (1308 views)

[+] Brutal Truth gets your attention!!! - Jay Duncan (3 replies)
7/5/2004 2:26:09 PM (1681 views)

[+] Community College Classes - James Guill/VA (5 replies)
7/4/2004 2:28:49 PM (1561 views)

[+] It is the VETERAN...... - Jay Duncan/MO (1 reply)
7/4/2004 2:16:30 PM (1613 views)

[-] Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA (43 replies)
7/3/2004 10:32:04 AM (1674 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/3/2004 11:17:53 AM (2848 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 11:21:19 AM (2863 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/3/2004 2:01:17 PM (2835 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/3/2004 6:36:19 PM (2800 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/4/2004 10:08:24 AM (2726 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/4/2004 11:39:15 AM (2759 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 1:20:04 PM (2773 views)
Kurts Training!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 1:06:10 PM (2809 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2004 4:53:02 PM (2831 views)
Who CAME after you? - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 9:27:34 AM (2720 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 9:35:04 AM (2789 views)
MD has some Crazy Laws - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:45:15 AM (2827 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 1:05:22 PM (2668 views)
Re: Who CAME after you? - Jay Duncan
7/7/2004 1:18:50 PM (2736 views)
Re: Kurts Training!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2004 5:52:19 PM (2804 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2004 10:24:47 AM (2672 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 10:41:35 AM (2821 views)
Re: Incorporate - Loretta Reed/MD
7/7/2004 1:40:02 PM (2731 views)
Re: Incorporate - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 3:23:05 PM (2703 views)
Re: Incorporate - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 3:33:33 PM (2730 views)
Thank You Amanda!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2004 4:02:16 PM (2610 views)
Re: Thank You Amanda!!! - Amanda Packey/FL
7/7/2004 4:08:18 PM (2773 views)
Re: Incorporate - kevin ahern/CT
7/8/2004 7:08:59 AM (2680 views)
Re: Incorporate - Robert Franco/OH
7/8/2004 2:38:24 PM (2621 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - Annette Dorty/PA
7/8/2004 4:08:32 PM (2652 views)
Re: Incorporate (PA) - kevin ahern/CT
7/9/2004 5:27:30 AM (2691 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2004 2:21:30 PM (2629 views)

I hate to get involved in this conversation, but I think it is an important topic.  "Newbie Bashing" is not a good thing, and I don't want to blame the "newbies" for some of the problems in the industry - because they don't know the problems that are being caused by their lack of training.  I believe that there are a lot of well intentioned abstractors, very new to the field, who were led down this path by someone else.

The best advice for someone who wants to be an independent abstractor is to work for a title company or attorney for a couple of years (and that may not be enough).  The only way to become a good abstractor is to gain experience... the only way to gain expereince without causing a lot of problems and incurring a huge amount of liability is to have someone knowledgeable in the field review your work and explain "WHY" you should or shouldn't show certian items.  Good training is extremely important!!

For example... when you are searching a property that recently came out of foreclosure with liens still showing open you have to know when lis pendens applies.  Some liens may survive the suit, others may be extiguished. When you have a deed that wasn't notarized properly, what is the statutory requirement that will cure the defect?  There are so many things that you really can't be prepared for, unless you have come across them before and had someone there to properly explain them when they do arise.  That takes a lot of time - and a good teacher.

It is easy for someone to say, "just find the deed and look for any liens", but there is so much more to it than that.  As rates begin to rise and more forclosures are filed, many cliams will be generated.  It is going to be a scary time for a lot of abstractors and insurers.

I have also spoken with a few E&O insurers regarding discounts for NALTEA members and the answer was always the same... "there are a lot of new abstractors that haven't been properly trained entering the field."  This is ONE of the causes of the higer rates, but I'm sure there are other forces at work also.

Source of Title gets a lot of e-mail asking "how do I become an abstractor?" and I always tell them the same thing - get a job with a title company or attorney that has sufficent resources to train you properly.  Anyone who wants to be an abstractor, without the necessary training, can get into the field, but they should be aware of the requirements of the job and fully understand the liability associated with it.  Missing one mortgage, federal tax lien, life estate, or anything else could cost you your home!  Most of us can't afford to pay a $100,000 claim and the rising E&O rates should be an indication of the liability involved.

A final note:  the Source of Title message forums are for everyone, newbies and seasoned abstractors alike, but newbies won't always like the responses they get.  They shouldn't be taken as "hostile" or "bashing" but as a wanring that there is a lot of responsibility involved with abstracting.  Peoples homes, the single largest investment they make, are riding on your ability to perform your duties as an abstractor.  Those who have been trained for years before becoming independent are frustrated with the abstractors that don't think they need to be properly trained or aren't aware of the training that they didn't get.  Some of them simply do not realize how much they do not know.

Best to everyone,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Newbie bashing - James Guill/VA
7/4/2004 3:56:18 PM (2584 views)
Re: Newbie bashing - Loretta Reed/MD
7/4/2004 5:11:04 PM (2605 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 11:20:11 AM (2586 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 1:49:35 PM (2647 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/5/2004 5:26:12 PM (2632 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Loretta Reed/MD
7/5/2004 5:39:52 PM (2614 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Scott Perry/PA
7/5/2004 9:45:45 PM (2576 views)
Keep BUSH IN!!! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 12:46:19 PM (2622 views)
Re: Newbie bashing... Thank you! - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2004 1:32:32 PM (2485 views)
Rising Rates! - Kurt deVries/FL
7/6/2004 2:08:43 PM (2502 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/6/2004 6:01:17 PM (3593 views)
Re: Rising Rates! - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/7/2004 7:38:53 PM (2399 views)
Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2004 7:43:12 PM (2473 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:14:10 AM (2440 views)
Re: Unemployment - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/8/2004 11:43:00 AM (2332 views)
Re: Unemployment - Judy Nisonger/CA
7/8/2004 11:00:17 PM (2328 views)

HOT LIST... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/2/2004 10:42:01 PM (1263 views)


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