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Don't see them either! - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/12/2004 9:45:11 PM (1081 views)

SLADE - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SLADE - Slade Smith/MD
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where are all the newer messages! - Mike/PA
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Re: where are all the newer messages! - julie jasiunas
8/12/2004 9:36:30 AM (1840 views)
Re: where are all the newer messages! - Slade Smith/MD
8/12/2004 11:07:06 AM (1805 views)
"New" messages" - Slade Smith/MD
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Re: where are all the newer messages! - kevin ahern/CT
8/13/2004 6:06:57 AM (1825 views)

Sorry about the downtime - Slade Smith/OH
8/11/2004 1:33:57 PM (1462 views)
Re: Sorry about the downtime - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/11/2004 7:10:20 PM (1832 views)

Title Search USA - Marilyn Parker/IL
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Re: Title Search USA - Barbara Bennett/IN
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NEW CHAIRPERSON - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:37:27 AM (1429 views)
Re: NEW CHAIRPERSON - Jay Duncan
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Re: NEW CHAIRPERSON - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: NEW CHAIRPERSON - Jay Duncan/MO
8/10/2004 5:55:57 PM (1879 views)
Re: NEW CHAIRPERSON - Annette Dorty/PA
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Need advise please.... - Michelle Scott/NY
8/9/2004 8:37:37 PM (1478 views)
Re: Need advise please.... - Jay Duncan
8/9/2004 10:33:23 PM (2018 views)
Re: Need advise please.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
8/10/2004 1:37:59 PM (1939 views)

Calling all Abstractors - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
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Re: Calling all Abstractors - Will Boyles/WI
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On-line documents - Marilyn Parker/IL
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Re: On-line documents - Amanda Packey/FL
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Re: On-line documents - Marilyn Parker/IL
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New site layout - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: New site layout - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/9/2004 10:33:11 AM (1924 views)
Re: New site layout - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
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Re: New site layout - Marilyn Parker/IL
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Re: New site layout - Amanda Packey/FL
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Re: New site layout - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/10/2004 10:07:35 AM (1968 views)
Slade question on New site layout - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Slade question on New site layout - Slade Smith/MD
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What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:36:14 PM (1522 views)
Re: What you need to do if Companies are not paying you> - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/9/2004 1:35:24 PM (1967 views)

Merging Companies - Teresa Beeman/NC
8/7/2004 10:28:11 PM (1180 views)

Why aren't we getting paid? - Barbara Bennett/IN
8/5/2004 7:49:35 PM (1583 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Teresa Beeman/NC
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Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/7/2004 3:33:49 PM (1960 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/7/2004 4:11:45 PM (1965 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/8/2004 5:27:08 PM (1895 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/8/2004 11:02:23 PM (1889 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Angelica DelliCarpini/IN
8/9/2004 8:53:29 AM (1888 views)
Re: Why aren't we getting paid? - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/5/2004 5:00:14 PM (1673 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/5/2004 11:14:02 PM (2072 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Judy Nisonger/CA
8/6/2004 11:59:48 AM (1995 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/7/2004 7:41:34 PM (2013 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
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Re: Lenders First Choice - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/10/2004 12:32:25 AM (1906 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Teresa Beeman/NC
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Re: Lenders First Choice - debra price/UT
8/12/2004 12:16:28 AM (1923 views)
Re: Lenders First Choice - Gary Hays/FL
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Title Searches - Steve Levinson/FL
8/5/2004 2:20:21 PM (1524 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 4:45:43 PM (1980 views)

I am probably not in the right frame of mind to answer this question at the moment, so let me give you the practical advise I normally would for this question - FIRST.  In my opinion you can NOT be self-taught to abstract.  There are too many things that you can only learn from someone more experienced willing to take the time to teach you.  The issue is further complicated by geography.  Each state and county has their own regulations that govern the real estate records - so a "canned" on-line course is only going to give you the "basics" and that is enought to get you into trouble.  It might be a good start, but you really need a skilled abstractor to teach you the rest.

Next... (my rant for the day) if I had it do over again, I would choose another career.  Everyone else I know gets a raise every year and they get promotions and more benefits.  I have been asked CONTINUALLY by clients to lower my prices (read my post below).  I take my car to a mechanic and they get around $70/hr., maybe I should have taken up a vocation like that.

It seems to me that there is something wrong when I incur HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in liability and get to charge a whopping $45.00!  People rely on our title work to process $100,000 mortgages several times a day and out of the several thousands of dollars that the borrower pays in closing fees, I only get $45 to $100.  My expenses are rising all the time; my E&O insurance is upto nearly $5,000 and I have never had a claim. 

I also think that the real estate records are becoming more and more messed up and it is taking longer to do the searches, but we don't charge on an hourly basis - we have to provide our services for a flat fee.  While the mechanic can say "Gee it took longer than we thought to fix your car, so the bill is a little higher" we just have to move on and accept what we can get.

To make things worse, our clients are now telling us what they are going to pay... many totally disregard the invoice and only pay a portion of our charges.  Often they fail to pay for copies (at $2.00/pg.) or the fax fee when they request something rushed and we have to fax from the courthouse (at $2.00 to $4.00/pg.).    I had a client call me and say that they were only charging thier client $50 and they couldn't pay our $100 fee for a statutory full search.  They got upset when I told them that I couldn't do the search for that.  What were they thinking?

There is something wrong with this industry when the client calls and tells you that they just bid out their work at 25% less to get a big client and they expect you to follow suit.  The problem is there is nobody below us to pass this along to.  I can't call the phone company, the electric company, the E&O company, the county where we charge our copies, etc. and tell them that my clients just lowered our fees so we need them to lower our costs 25%.  The fact is, our costs are constantly rising and our clients are trying to dictate that we work for less.

Sorry for the long rant, but I am disgusted with the direction things are going and it appauls me to hear "well we can get that search for $15 less from so-and-so."  I don't have a problem with competition, but the people who are undercutting our prices take shortcuts and don't do a thorough search, they don't have E&O insurance, they don't know what they are doing... AND MANY OF THE CLIENTS DON'T SEEM TO CARE.  It has become all about price and this is what is causing the degredation of the public real estate records.  They are the reason it is taking longer to do a thorough title search - we have to point out all of the title defects that the last idot caused.

If I knew how to do anything else, I would seriously consider a career change.

Best of luck,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Title Searches - Steve/FL
8/5/2004 5:03:07 PM (1924 views)
Re: Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
8/5/2004 5:32:39 PM (1924 views)
But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Scott Perry/PA
8/5/2004 10:13:27 PM (1971 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Robert Franco/OH
8/6/2004 11:02:54 AM (1932 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Ellen Malloy/MO
8/6/2004 2:34:31 PM (1844 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Steve Levinson/FL
8/6/2004 4:14:10 PM (1841 views)
Re: But, how do you REALLY feel, Robert? - Slade Smith/OH
8/6/2004 5:24:21 PM (1852 views)
CERTIFICATION - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/7/2004 12:04:42 AM (1844 views)


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