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Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
12/29/2004 6:58:06 PM (2228 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:04 PM (3519 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
12/30/2004 6:29:43 PM (3466 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Just trying to learn - Robert Breakell/CT
12/30/2004 7:01:33 PM (3545 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - kevin ahern/CT
12/31/2004 6:33:26 AM (3501 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - susan kostalas/PA
1/2/2005 12:30:42 PM (3413 views)

SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 5:30:26 PM (1656 views)

ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 3:51:01 PM (2618 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 4:17:50 PM (3561 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:03:52 PM (3460 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 4:56:37 PM (3628 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 5:13:51 PM (3454 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 5:18:04 PM (3508 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - central search inc central search inc/WI
12/30/2004 3:26:30 PM (3579 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:38:49 AM (3642 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:41:01 AM (3533 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
1/3/2005 10:25:13 AM (3435 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Judy Nisonger/CA
1/3/2005 12:19:10 PM (3453 views)

Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:11:41 AM (2430 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:53:04 AM (3578 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 1:49:56 PM (3501 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 1:57:11 PM (3583 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 10:54:45 AM (3418 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 11:03:05 AM (3468 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 11:15:26 AM (3558 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 6:18:12 PM (3396 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 6:50:57 PM (3331 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:56 PM (3344 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:52 PM (3487 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:55 PM (3551 views)

Ethics - Robert Breakell/CT
12/28/2004 6:55:44 PM (1833 views)




Follow-up on the E & O Article - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/27/2004 4:23:14 PM (1777 views)

Another Day Off - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/27/2004 12:16:13 AM (2416 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/27/2004 4:14:33 PM (3425 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:14:23 PM (3461 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Robert Franco/OH
12/27/2004 5:22:04 PM (3386 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 6:00:35 PM (3453 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/27/2004 11:29:18 PM (3434 views)

County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/26/2004 8:58:32 PM (3333 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/28/2004 2:29:51 PM (4761 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/28/2004 7:29:53 PM (3351 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 5:41:02 AM (3322 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 8:28:11 AM (3287 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 12:37:55 PM (3337 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 1:50:27 PM (3378 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 3:18:01 PM (3441 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 3:23:36 PM (5006 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 6:45:11 PM (3302 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 10:42:05 AM (3328 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 2:45:26 PM (3325 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 3:51:37 PM (3281 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 5:53:44 PM (4937 views)

The fact that you could check the accuracy of the information that I provided means that the data has already made its way into hundreds, if not thousands, of databases nationally, if not worldwide. 
Makes my point exactly. The information would not be out there if it had never been released in digital form. In fact I was unable to verify all of your information precisely because it is held within the four walls of your county courthouse instead of being spewed all over the world.

By posting it, I have not acted particularly recklessly, nor have I endangered myself or anyone else further than they were already endangered by the free and public information available.
Is this what you tell your clients concerning their information that may or may not already be available to the internet?

As for my clients and my client's customers, they are handled in a secure method to prevent unauthorized reciept or access by unintended parties.  Even if they were not, nothing the search operations division of CMS handles is anything other than public record.    

So if it is nothing except public record, why do you bother to protect your clients? It would be unethical and unprofessional to do otherwise but you want the county clerks to forget ethics and professionally for your convenience? Additionally your clients are under several laws restraining how they and you expose this information and to whom.

Charles, not everyones date of birth, social security number and other information you revealed and called the public record is in fact the public record. There are some 800 exemptions to the Public Records laws already concerning everything from your pets medical records to the indentity of minor children, to the identifiers of elected and appointed officials.

As for Al Qaeda and other terrorist and criminal organizations, you have to remember one thing.  In order to have a successful operation, you have to have personnel on the ground.  If they already have personnel on the ground here, what's to stop them from going to the county courthouses and looking up the information in person?

The completion of a successful mission begins with inteligence which no longer requires personell on the ground. We use sattelites and aircraft to gather much of the information we need. al Qada uses the internet in the same way. But we stupidly make it easy for them to gather 80% of all the information they need for a successful mission over the internet.

Identity thieves, stalkers and terrorist groups access the public records by the Internet for the sake of their own security and convenience. Identity thieves use it because it allows them to quickly steal thousands of identities while remaining totally anonymous. Stalker Liam Youens expressed suprise when he entered this on his website, "It's accually obsene what you can find out about a person on the internet." The information he had found cost Amy Boyer her life. Mortgage fraud scams are costing our clients millions and they are gathering the information they need with convenience of online access. 

Yes, all of these people could find this same information at the local courthouse, but they couldn't retrieve it in bulk digital form. They prefer internet access for the same reason you do Charles, convenience. The same reason your identity thief preffered to hack into the supposedly very secure database as opposed to finding it in the paper record at the courthouse. 

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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/3/2005 10:23:22 AM (4947 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
1/4/2005 12:35:28 AM (4637 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/4/2005 9:25:02 AM (3203 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/30/2004 7:08:22 PM (3212 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:13 PM (3281 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:14 PM (3191 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 4:08:31 PM (3316 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 4:28:40 PM (3211 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 7:15:27 PM (3179 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 10:18:32 PM (3194 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:28 AM (3244 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:30 AM (3196 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/31/2004 2:37:24 PM (3190 views)
Re: County purges Web site - John Redhead/NY
1/4/2005 10:55:11 AM (3154 views)

I was very excited to see... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 10:50:19 AM (1884 views)

CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1704 views)

Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:04:47 AM (2345 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 5:42:21 AM (3611 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Kim Cowles/WI
12/23/2004 9:23:16 AM (3407 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:41:17 AM (3421 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:46:11 PM (3370 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Breakell/CT
12/23/2004 8:49:24 PM (3356 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 7:29:13 AM (3433 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/24/2004 10:55:38 AM (3356 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 1:42:28 PM (3451 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:36:47 PM (3344 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:34:20 AM (3267 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 10:51:37 AM (3247 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:33:07 PM (3251 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:56:16 PM (3307 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:49:41 PM (3247 views)

75 and counting!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 2:00:50 PM (2725 views)

Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 1:09:20 PM (2268 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2004 2:52:49 PM (3210 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Smitty Strickland/SC
12/24/2004 7:09:12 PM (3226 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:21:12 AM (3145 views)

General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2004 2:03:24 PM (2578 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - monica froese/ME
12/20/2004 9:17:09 PM (3365 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:32:28 PM (3383 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:36:34 PM (3446 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:44:32 PM (3435 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:45:37 PM (3327 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/21/2004 3:13:16 PM (3380 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/21/2004 6:16:44 PM (3422 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Scott Perry/PA
12/22/2004 10:32:03 PM (3304 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:42:40 PM (3370 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/27/2004 4:16:20 AM (3249 views)

Bonded? - Annette Dorty/PA
12/18/2004 7:19:53 PM (2199 views)
Re: Bonded? - central search inc central search inc/WI
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Re: Bonded? - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Bonded? - Annette Dorty/PA
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Re: Bonded? - Nancy Walker/AZ
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