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CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1658 views)

Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:04:47 AM (2298 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 5:42:21 AM (3373 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Kim Cowles/WI
12/23/2004 9:23:16 AM (3183 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:41:17 AM (3200 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:46:11 PM (3146 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Breakell/CT
12/23/2004 8:49:24 PM (3133 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 7:29:13 AM (3223 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/24/2004 10:55:38 AM (3153 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 1:42:28 PM (3223 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:36:47 PM (3120 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:34:20 AM (3050 views)

My thoughts are this:

There is a distinct difference between abstractor error and public record error.  You cannot be held liable for a public record error if you can prove that it was not your error.  In some states, I think the public official can be held liable if his/her records are not accurate.  More and more today, agents and underwriters are turning claims in against searchers for abstractor error.  I believe this is one of the reasons that E&O rates have gone up so much in the past few years.  I believe there was a recent article on SOT about a case in NY where the searcher or search company was held liable in a lawsuit for a missed judgment or mortgage.  There are way too many abstractors that don't have E&O insurance, and many that have general professional liability insurance which they think is E&O insurance.  There is a great deal of mis-information and consumer ignorance in this area in the abstracting community.  What many abstractors don't realize is that their clients could come after their personal assets to collect on a claim that was a result of abstractor error, or presumed abstractor error in the case of lack of evidence to prove otherwise. 

It is somewhat interesting that we live in a county where you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  In our business anyway, our clients usually assume that we made the mistake.  Since there is no track record of who edited the index in most counties, often times the error is blamed on the abstractor even though the evidence is circumstantial.  Errors are usually discovered years after a search is completed.  There is no way, in most systems to tell what the record was at a point in the past, only what it is today.  In "good old days" of thumb indexing and index books, corrections were obvious because often they were hand written in and the date of the correction was noted in the margin.

Abstractors don't collect any premium yet we seem to be held liable for a disproportionate amount of liability based upon our role (and fees) in the transaction.  I don't understand why a court of law that would place so much liability on an abstractor doesn't see the assumption of that liability as the unlicensed practice of insurance.  Today, it clearly benefits a title agency or company to oursourse their search work, as opposed to having staff searchers.  With staff searchers the liability is all theirs, with outsourcing to abstractors, it seems they've also outsourced the majority of the liability (at least with regard to the title side of the transaction).

Thoughts anyone?

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Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 10:51:37 AM (3030 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:33:07 PM (3025 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:56:16 PM (3079 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:49:41 PM (3027 views)

75 and counting!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 2:00:50 PM (2688 views)

Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 1:09:20 PM (2231 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2004 2:52:49 PM (3013 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Smitty Strickland/SC
12/24/2004 7:09:12 PM (3026 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:21:12 AM (2961 views)

General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2004 2:03:24 PM (2534 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - monica froese/ME
12/20/2004 9:17:09 PM (3157 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:32:28 PM (3188 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:36:34 PM (3233 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:44:32 PM (3250 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:45:37 PM (3150 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/21/2004 3:13:16 PM (3191 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2004 3:27:39 PM (3278 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/21/2004 6:16:44 PM (3233 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Scott Perry/PA
12/22/2004 10:32:03 PM (3127 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/22/2004 11:14:50 PM (3158 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2004 11:21:24 PM (3120 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 7:03:43 AM (3137 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:04:15 AM (3193 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:42:40 PM (3190 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 6:57:07 AM (3043 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/26/2004 6:09:00 PM (3097 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/27/2004 4:16:20 AM (3070 views)




Bonded? - Annette Dorty/PA
12/18/2004 7:19:53 PM (2168 views)
Re: Bonded? - central search inc central search inc/WI
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Re: Bonded? - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Bonded? - Loretta Reed/MD
12/21/2004 9:00:00 AM (2891 views)
Re: Bonded? - Annette Dorty/PA
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Re: Bonded? - Nancy Walker/AZ
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Re: Bonded? - Nancy Walker/AZ
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SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
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Wondering about food? - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Wondering about food? - Robert Franco/OH
12/17/2004 1:41:15 PM (3068 views)

Past Posting - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 7:35:21 AM (2322 views)
Re: Past Posting - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2004 9:43:55 AM (3089 views)
Re: Past Posting - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 11:07:57 AM (3094 views)
Re: Past Posting - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:12:29 AM (3054 views)

Monica in Maine - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 6:46:33 AM (1901 views)

Robert or Slade - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/16/2004 10:13:52 PM (2227 views)
Re: Robert or Slade - Robert Franco/OH
12/17/2004 10:34:30 AM (3099 views)
Re: Robert or Slade - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 11:09:42 AM (3097 views)

Public Records vs Right to Privacy - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/16/2004 5:20:17 PM (2322 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - Charles Skinner/NY
12/17/2004 8:47:45 AM (3267 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 11:23:48 AM (3307 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - David Bloys/TX
12/17/2004 1:18:32 PM (4947 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - kevin ahern/CT
12/18/2004 6:07:25 AM (3364 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - David Bloys/TX
12/18/2004 10:03:13 AM (3193 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - kevin ahern/CT
12/18/2004 2:56:39 PM (3287 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/18/2004 9:45:00 PM (3333 views)
Re: Public Records vs Right to Privacy - David Bloys/TX
12/18/2004 11:58:27 PM (3122 views)

Selling new mortgage/refinance leads - Dianna Lavidalie/LA
12/16/2004 3:34:21 PM (2444 views)
Re: Selling new mortgage/refinance leads - Margaret Sedy/CA
12/16/2004 8:42:43 PM (3277 views)
Re: Selling new mortgage/refinance leads - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2004 9:09:00 PM (3226 views)
Re: Selling new mortgage/refinance leads - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:25:35 AM (4624 views)
Re: Selling new mortgage/refinance leads - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 5:21:40 AM (3292 views)
Re: A comment on signings.... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 11:04:06 AM (4552 views)

Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2004 1:19:35 PM (2538 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Loretta Reed/MD
12/16/2004 4:37:29 PM (3411 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/16/2004 5:24:51 PM (3438 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/17/2004 6:42:35 AM (3309 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/17/2004 12:06:39 PM (3373 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2004 12:53:41 AM (3381 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/17/2004 8:19:52 PM (3196 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:38:07 AM (3139 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Smitty Strickland
12/24/2004 7:17:54 PM (3270 views)
Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Which One of you are doing 60 year commercial searches for 175.00 - Are you Nuts! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/3/2005 10:57:37 AM (3277 views)

There is still time... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/16/2004 10:51:31 AM (3341 views)
Re: There is still time... - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2004 2:48:59 PM (3097 views)


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