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Mortgage Fraud Epidemic - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 1:36:04 AM (2965 views)

Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
12/29/2004 6:58:06 PM (2161 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 8:23:20 PM (3447 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:01:18 PM (3286 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
12/29/2004 10:42:51 PM (3294 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:04 PM (3261 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
12/30/2004 6:29:43 PM (3222 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/30/2004 6:50:51 PM (3275 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - Robert Breakell/CT
12/30/2004 7:01:33 PM (3233 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - I wanna be/OH
12/30/2004 7:07:55 PM (3234 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - kevin ahern/CT
12/31/2004 6:33:26 AM (3229 views)
Re: Just trying to learn - susan kostalas/PA
1/2/2005 12:30:42 PM (3149 views)

SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 5:30:26 PM (1580 views)

ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 3:51:01 PM (2533 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 4:17:50 PM (3284 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:03:52 PM (3194 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 4:56:37 PM (3361 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 5:13:51 PM (3160 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/30/2004 5:18:04 PM (3214 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - central search inc central search inc/WI
12/30/2004 3:26:30 PM (3301 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:38:49 AM (3371 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
1/3/2005 9:41:01 AM (3242 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
1/3/2005 10:25:13 AM (3139 views)
Re: ZENO DATA? - Judy Nisonger/CA
1/3/2005 12:19:10 PM (3179 views)

Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:11:41 AM (2350 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:53:04 AM (3254 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 1:49:56 PM (3152 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 1:57:11 PM (3231 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 10:54:45 AM (3087 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 11:03:05 AM (3147 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 11:15:26 AM (3246 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 6:18:12 PM (3045 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 6:50:57 PM (3009 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:56 PM (3008 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:52 PM (3169 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:55 PM (3187 views)




Ethics - Robert Breakell/CT
12/28/2004 6:55:44 PM (1723 views)

Follow-up on the E & O Article - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/27/2004 4:23:14 PM (1682 views)

Another Day Off - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/27/2004 12:16:13 AM (2307 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/27/2004 4:14:33 PM (3093 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:14:23 PM (3124 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Robert Franco/OH
12/27/2004 5:22:04 PM (3052 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 6:00:35 PM (3104 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/27/2004 11:29:18 PM (3073 views)

County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/26/2004 8:58:32 PM (3239 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/28/2004 2:29:51 PM (4403 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/28/2004 7:29:53 PM (2973 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 5:41:02 AM (2971 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 8:28:11 AM (2920 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 12:37:55 PM (2968 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 1:50:27 PM (3011 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 3:18:01 PM (3079 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 3:23:36 PM (4602 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 6:45:11 PM (2929 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 10:42:05 AM (2964 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 2:45:26 PM (2964 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 3:51:37 PM (2885 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 5:53:44 PM (4583 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/3/2005 10:23:22 AM (4586 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
1/4/2005 12:35:28 AM (4280 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/4/2005 9:25:02 AM (2869 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/30/2004 7:08:22 PM (2811 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:13 PM (2915 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:14 PM (2817 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 4:08:31 PM (2944 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 4:28:40 PM (2844 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 7:15:27 PM (2848 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 10:18:32 PM (2817 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:28 AM (2878 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:30 AM (2846 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/31/2004 2:37:24 PM (2819 views)
Re: County purges Web site - John Redhead/NY
1/4/2005 10:55:11 AM (2788 views)

I was very excited to see... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 10:50:19 AM (1782 views)

CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1636 views)

Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:04:47 AM (2260 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 5:42:21 AM (3261 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Kim Cowles/WI
12/23/2004 9:23:16 AM (3086 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:41:17 AM (3105 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:46:11 PM (3044 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Breakell/CT
12/23/2004 8:49:24 PM (3025 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 7:29:13 AM (3128 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/24/2004 10:55:38 AM (3067 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 1:42:28 PM (3128 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:36:47 PM (3030 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:34:20 AM (2932 views)

My thoughts are this:

There is a distinct difference between abstractor error and public record error.  You cannot be held liable for a public record error if you can prove that it was not your error.  In some states, I think the public official can be held liable if his/her records are not accurate.  More and more today, agents and underwriters are turning claims in against searchers for abstractor error.  I believe this is one of the reasons that E&O rates have gone up so much in the past few years.  I believe there was a recent article on SOT about a case in NY where the searcher or search company was held liable in a lawsuit for a missed judgment or mortgage.  There are way too many abstractors that don't have E&O insurance, and many that have general professional liability insurance which they think is E&O insurance.  There is a great deal of mis-information and consumer ignorance in this area in the abstracting community.  What many abstractors don't realize is that their clients could come after their personal assets to collect on a claim that was a result of abstractor error, or presumed abstractor error in the case of lack of evidence to prove otherwise. 

It is somewhat interesting that we live in a county where you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  In our business anyway, our clients usually assume that we made the mistake.  Since there is no track record of who edited the index in most counties, often times the error is blamed on the abstractor even though the evidence is circumstantial.  Errors are usually discovered years after a search is completed.  There is no way, in most systems to tell what the record was at a point in the past, only what it is today.  In "good old days" of thumb indexing and index books, corrections were obvious because often they were hand written in and the date of the correction was noted in the margin.

Abstractors don't collect any premium yet we seem to be held liable for a disproportionate amount of liability based upon our role (and fees) in the transaction.  I don't understand why a court of law that would place so much liability on an abstractor doesn't see the assumption of that liability as the unlicensed practice of insurance.  Today, it clearly benefits a title agency or company to oursourse their search work, as opposed to having staff searchers.  With staff searchers the liability is all theirs, with outsourcing to abstractors, it seems they've also outsourced the majority of the liability (at least with regard to the title side of the transaction).

Thoughts anyone?

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Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 10:51:37 AM (2932 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:33:07 PM (2903 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:56:16 PM (2985 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:49:41 PM (2924 views)

75 and counting!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 2:00:50 PM (2663 views)

Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 1:09:20 PM (2185 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2004 2:52:49 PM (2914 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Smitty Strickland/SC
12/24/2004 7:09:12 PM (2906 views)
Re: Merry Christmas and The Reason... - Kurt deVries/FL
12/29/2004 10:21:12 AM (2825 views)

General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2004 2:03:24 PM (2482 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - monica froese/ME
12/20/2004 9:17:09 PM (3044 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:32:28 PM (3072 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Ellen/MO
12/21/2004 2:36:34 PM (3120 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:44:32 PM (3136 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Jay Duncan
12/21/2004 2:45:37 PM (3040 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/21/2004 3:13:16 PM (3068 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2004 3:27:39 PM (3154 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/21/2004 6:16:44 PM (3094 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Scott Perry/PA
12/22/2004 10:32:03 PM (3019 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/22/2004 11:14:50 PM (2989 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2004 11:21:24 PM (3005 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 7:03:43 AM (3027 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:04:15 AM (3059 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:42:40 PM (3070 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 6:57:07 AM (2923 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/26/2004 6:09:00 PM (2967 views)
Re: General lack of title knowledge - kevin ahern/CT
12/27/2004 4:16:20 AM (2955 views)


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