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[+] Happy New Year! - Robert Franco/OH (1 reply)
12/31/2004 6:31:45 PM (2020 views)

[+] Little Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA (3 replies)
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Mortgage Fraud Epidemic - David Bloys/TX
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[+] Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH (10 replies)
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SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
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[+] ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL (10 replies)
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[+] Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH (11 replies)
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Ethics - Robert Breakell/CT
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Follow-up on the E & O Article - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
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[+] Another Day Off - Shannon Blatt/VA (5 replies)
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[-] County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX (27 replies)
12/26/2004 8:58:32 PM (3146 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/28/2004 2:29:51 PM (4188 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/28/2004 7:29:53 PM (2765 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 5:41:02 AM (2774 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 8:28:11 AM (2715 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 12:37:55 PM (2757 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 1:50:27 PM (2799 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/29/2004 3:18:01 PM (2872 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/29/2004 3:23:36 PM (4380 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 6:45:11 PM (2704 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 10:42:05 AM (2752 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 2:45:26 PM (2735 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
12/30/2004 3:51:37 PM (2700 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 5:53:44 PM (4349 views)

The fact that you could check the accuracy of the information that I provided means that the data has already made its way into hundreds, if not thousands, of databases nationally, if not worldwide. 
Makes my point exactly. The information would not be out there if it had never been released in digital form. In fact I was unable to verify all of your information precisely because it is held within the four walls of your county courthouse instead of being spewed all over the world.

By posting it, I have not acted particularly recklessly, nor have I endangered myself or anyone else further than they were already endangered by the free and public information available.
Is this what you tell your clients concerning their information that may or may not already be available to the internet?

As for my clients and my client's customers, they are handled in a secure method to prevent unauthorized reciept or access by unintended parties.  Even if they were not, nothing the search operations division of CMS handles is anything other than public record.    

So if it is nothing except public record, why do you bother to protect your clients? It would be unethical and unprofessional to do otherwise but you want the county clerks to forget ethics and professionally for your convenience? Additionally your clients are under several laws restraining how they and you expose this information and to whom.

Charles, not everyones date of birth, social security number and other information you revealed and called the public record is in fact the public record. There are some 800 exemptions to the Public Records laws already concerning everything from your pets medical records to the indentity of minor children, to the identifiers of elected and appointed officials.

As for Al Qaeda and other terrorist and criminal organizations, you have to remember one thing.  In order to have a successful operation, you have to have personnel on the ground.  If they already have personnel on the ground here, what's to stop them from going to the county courthouses and looking up the information in person?

The completion of a successful mission begins with inteligence which no longer requires personell on the ground. We use sattelites and aircraft to gather much of the information we need. al Qada uses the internet in the same way. But we stupidly make it easy for them to gather 80% of all the information they need for a successful mission over the internet.

Identity thieves, stalkers and terrorist groups access the public records by the Internet for the sake of their own security and convenience. Identity thieves use it because it allows them to quickly steal thousands of identities while remaining totally anonymous. Stalker Liam Youens expressed suprise when he entered this on his website, "It's accually obsene what you can find out about a person on the internet." The information he had found cost Amy Boyer her life. Mortgage fraud scams are costing our clients millions and they are gathering the information they need with convenience of online access. 

Yes, all of these people could find this same information at the local courthouse, but they couldn't retrieve it in bulk digital form. They prefer internet access for the same reason you do Charles, convenience. The same reason your identity thief preffered to hack into the supposedly very secure database as opposed to finding it in the paper record at the courthouse. 

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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/3/2005 10:23:22 AM (4368 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
1/4/2005 12:35:28 AM (4072 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
1/4/2005 9:25:02 AM (2667 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/30/2004 7:08:22 PM (2591 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:13 PM (2703 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:01:14 PM (2616 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Robert Franco/OH
12/30/2004 4:08:31 PM (2732 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/30/2004 4:28:40 PM (2650 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/29/2004 7:15:27 PM (2641 views)
Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 10:18:32 PM (2621 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:28 AM (2631 views)
Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
12/30/2004 6:23:30 AM (2616 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Judy Nisonger/CA
12/31/2004 2:37:24 PM (2624 views)
Re: County purges Web site - John Redhead/NY
1/4/2005 10:55:11 AM (2567 views)

I was very excited to see... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 10:50:19 AM (1730 views)

CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1584 views)

[+] Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI (14 replies)
12/23/2004 2:04:47 AM (2168 views)

75 and counting!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 2:00:50 PM (2618 views)


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