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Re: Little Scanner - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Little Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Mortgage Fraud Epidemic - David Bloys/TX
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Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Just trying to learn - Want to be an abstractor/OH
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Re: Just trying to learn - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Just trying to learn - Robert Breakell/CT
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SOT Hospitality Suite - Robert Franco/OH
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ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Rebecca Barney/FL
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: ZENO DATA? - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:11:41 AM (1803 views)
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Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Larry Crooks/OH
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Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Rebecca Barney/FL
12/29/2004 10:54:45 AM (2291 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 11:03:05 AM (2303 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - David Bloys/TX
12/29/2004 11:15:26 AM (2315 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 6:18:12 PM (2265 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 6:50:57 PM (2267 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/29/2004 10:55:56 PM (2255 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:52 PM (2308 views)
Re: Confusing Instructions from Client - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 12:38:55 PM (2252 views)

Ethics - Robert Breakell/CT
12/28/2004 6:55:44 PM (1451 views)

Follow-up on the E & O Article - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/27/2004 4:23:14 PM (1449 views)

Another Day Off - Shannon Blatt/VA
12/27/2004 12:16:13 AM (1899 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/27/2004 4:14:33 PM (2274 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Another Day Off - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Another Day Off - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 6:00:35 PM (2281 views)
Re: Another Day Off - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/27/2004 11:29:18 PM (2218 views)

County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
12/26/2004 8:58:32 PM (2746 views)
Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Charles Skinner/NY
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Re: County purges Web site - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
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Re: County purges Web site - David Bloys/TX
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Re: County purges Web site - kevin ahern/CT
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Re: County purges Web site - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: County purges Web site - John Redhead/NY
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I was very excited to see... - Loretta Reed/MD
12/26/2004 10:50:19 AM (1515 views)

CHRISTMAS - Michelle Bernard/LA
12/25/2004 5:57:57 PM (1403 views)

Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
12/23/2004 2:04:47 AM (1859 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/23/2004 5:42:21 AM (2305 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Kim Cowles/WI
12/23/2004 9:23:16 AM (2188 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2004 10:41:17 AM (2194 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
12/23/2004 2:46:11 PM (2163 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 7:29:13 AM (2193 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/24/2004 10:55:38 AM (2169 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - kevin ahern/CT
12/24/2004 1:42:28 PM (2116 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Douglas Gallant/OH
12/27/2004 5:36:47 PM (2164 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Larry Crooks/OH
12/29/2004 8:34:20 AM (2030 views)

My thoughts are this:

There is a distinct difference between abstractor error and public record error.  You cannot be held liable for a public record error if you can prove that it was not your error.  In some states, I think the public official can be held liable if his/her records are not accurate.  More and more today, agents and underwriters are turning claims in against searchers for abstractor error.  I believe this is one of the reasons that E&O rates have gone up so much in the past few years.  I believe there was a recent article on SOT about a case in NY where the searcher or search company was held liable in a lawsuit for a missed judgment or mortgage.  There are way too many abstractors that don't have E&O insurance, and many that have general professional liability insurance which they think is E&O insurance.  There is a great deal of mis-information and consumer ignorance in this area in the abstracting community.  What many abstractors don't realize is that their clients could come after their personal assets to collect on a claim that was a result of abstractor error, or presumed abstractor error in the case of lack of evidence to prove otherwise. 

It is somewhat interesting that we live in a county where you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.  In our business anyway, our clients usually assume that we made the mistake.  Since there is no track record of who edited the index in most counties, often times the error is blamed on the abstractor even though the evidence is circumstantial.  Errors are usually discovered years after a search is completed.  There is no way, in most systems to tell what the record was at a point in the past, only what it is today.  In "good old days" of thumb indexing and index books, corrections were obvious because often they were hand written in and the date of the correction was noted in the margin.

Abstractors don't collect any premium yet we seem to be held liable for a disproportionate amount of liability based upon our role (and fees) in the transaction.  I don't understand why a court of law that would place so much liability on an abstractor doesn't see the assumption of that liability as the unlicensed practice of insurance.  Today, it clearly benefits a title agency or company to oursourse their search work, as opposed to having staff searchers.  With staff searchers the liability is all theirs, with outsourcing to abstractors, it seems they've also outsourced the majority of the liability (at least with regard to the title side of the transaction).

Thoughts anyone?

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Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2004 10:51:37 AM (2032 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/31/2004 1:33:07 PM (2087 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:56:16 PM (2065 views)
Re: Carrying a Disclaimer for Services--Your Thoughts? - Jennifer Masters/MI
2/1/2005 10:49:41 PM (2082 views)

75 and counting!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/22/2004 2:00:50 PM (2352 views)


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