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More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/26/2005 8:37:47 AM (2563 views)
Re: More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 1:00:44 PM (3110 views)
Re: More On Lower Prices And Undercutting - Ellen Malloy/MO
2/26/2005 1:48:52 PM (3081 views)
Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/26/2005 9:17:22 PM (2904 views)
Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Amy Holder/NJ
2/27/2005 12:12:49 AM (2918 views)
Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 10:04:57 AM (2952 views)
Re: Thank You Both....this is LONG........ - Donna Grady/NC
2/27/2005 1:30:34 PM (3061 views)
MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 2:37:30 PM (2999 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 5:20:58 PM (2993 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 6:20:00 PM (2923 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Donna Grady/NC
2/27/2005 7:58:51 PM (3115 views)

Again, I have to agree with Mark.  Each state IS different. The abstractor in NC has one hand tied behind it's back trying to balance working for the MAN/ATTORNEY  or working for the title companies which is discouraged by the NC State Bar.  In the late 90's the NC State Bar made it their business to disbar attorneys that used independent title abstractors who had employees.  They were also investigating independents that worked for title companies.

To date the NC State Bar has made another proposal to make it unethical for attorneys to use independent abstractors that employ abstractors, JUST at the time that I was planning to expand and hire abstractors.  As a one person business, I can not compete for $45.00 a search unless I expand to several counties which I can not do alone.  The proposal also goes as far as telling the attorneys that they can not be connected to title vendor companies which is the way title vendors in NC have to operate because title searches have to be "rubber stamped" by an attorney or else it can be constituted as unauthorized practice of law.  There are three law firms that I know of that vendor companies send their NC & SC title searches to for review.  I applaud this set up because I have seen first hand how well it works.  To be honest, as an abstractor, I like to know that there is someone who legally understands any question that I have on a search that I can go to for an answer.  There are some issues in the field that I can decide based on my own experience and expertise but not every search is alike.  All of that is slipping away by title work being ordered by who knows who or where.  There are some people that I talk to when I return a search that do not have a clue how involved the search was as to why it took me so long to return the product.  When I ask them a question I get the same answer, Just make a note of it on your report sheet.  Some days it does not pay to be the only title searcher for my company.  If a search looks like it will take longer than two hours to complete I have to table it and move on so that I can make a profit that day.  Then I run the risk of not returning the search on time and never getting a search from that title company again.  But then if I spend too much time on one search then I can't get to some other title company's search that day and run the risk of never getting a search from them.  There is just so much that one person can do in one day.

So I agree with Mark that some of us do not have it as well as others because of the change in the title industry.  One big change being 24 hour turnaround.  My answer was to increase my personnel to increase my business until the NC State Bar's proposal popped up.  By the way, as always with the NC State Bar, they are dragging this out.  It was supposed to voted on in January.  Still no word on what was decided.  So we are in limbo. 

I wish I was not the only NC abstractor that keeps talking about this on this message board but some of the NC abstractors do not have a clue about this.  Most NC independents work for attorneys and do not carry E & O insurance because of the "old 1990's way of doing business". 

An attorney that I contract with also contracts with other independents who do not carry E & O insurance.  He just had a claim from one of those other independents so his
E & O will pay it out.  Problem is:  He pays that independent the same amount of money he pays me for a search.  And he told me that he wish it had been me cause then he would have been "off the hook".  It's NOT fair to me to have the overhead and not be paid more.  But if I want his business which substains me totally, then I just have to suck it up. 

So now you see why I feel like I am being jerked around and toyed with.  Realtors seem to be the best field in this title industry.  They make 3 to 6 % commission on the sale price, they don't have to be insured against mistakes, they have the luxury cars to drive their clients around in, and they don't have a clue about how to fill out a deceit sales contract to help the abstractor determine which property to search. 

So how many of you on this message board who are a ONE person abstracting company are really satisfied and able to make a better living at this than you did four years ago?  It seems that four years ago was when title searches had to be done in 24 or less hours.
  I would love to see you comment on this thread.

Folks, abstracting is a dying art.  Those of us who have been searching over 15 years have seen the changes and do not like what we see.  My paralegal friend was talking to her financial advisor who told her that her profession, title searcher, was becoming obsolete.  A local attorney here retired early because he was being called upon to fix the messes that the title companies have made in this area.  There is something wrong that needs to be fixed.  How do you fix it? and Who fixes it?

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Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/27/2005 8:04:02 PM (2895 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Ellen Malloy/MO
2/27/2005 8:14:53 PM (2842 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/27/2005 8:15:56 PM (2870 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Amy Holder/NJ
2/27/2005 10:46:56 PM (2961 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
2/28/2005 10:10:27 AM (2975 views)
Re: MORE abstractors should be expressing themselves here in this forum - Amy Holder/NJ
2/28/2005 10:36:23 AM (2992 views)

We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2005 9:26:15 PM (2182 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/26/2005 12:25:02 PM (2991 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/26/2005 12:35:42 PM (2964 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 1:08:49 PM (2924 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - PatriciaPalmer/PA
2/26/2005 2:55:48 PM (2932 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 6:05:50 PM (2918 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - David Bloys/TX
2/26/2005 7:31:53 PM (2966 views)
Re: We can all help stop the fraud - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/27/2005 6:04:32 PM (2881 views)

need some opinions... - Amanda Fuller/TX
2/25/2005 11:37:47 AM (2328 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: need some opinions... - Jay Duncan/MO
2/25/2005 11:55:50 AM (2916 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/26/2005 11:28:44 PM (2859 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 10:44:04 AM (2808 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lynn Hammett/SC
2/25/2005 4:50:12 PM (2939 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
2/25/2005 5:18:03 PM (2883 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
2/28/2005 4:39:40 PM (2899 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
2/28/2005 4:56:29 PM (2895 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/1/2005 10:28:14 AM (2851 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:33:37 PM (2927 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
3/1/2005 3:13:09 PM (2817 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
3/1/2005 5:38:43 PM (2789 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 2:54:09 PM (2845 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2005 11:24:54 AM (2717 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Ms. A/MO
3/1/2005 12:15:16 PM (2783 views)
Re: need some opinions... - Judy Nisonger/CA
3/1/2005 1:36:34 PM (2793 views)

ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Slade Smith/OH
2/25/2005 5:22:20 AM (2990 views)
Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Robert Breakell/CT
2/25/2005 7:57:34 AM (2745 views)
Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: ChoicePoint and now WestLaw - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2005 8:26:05 AM (2719 views)

Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Susie/OH
2/24/2005 7:14:12 PM (2184 views)
Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Deed Reports-Do you have a favorite - Samson Ugorji/MD
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How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Jay Duncan
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: How To Make 100% , Positively Certain Your Business Fails In The Next 2 Years.......... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/24/2005 11:26:53 AM (2232 views)
Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/25/2005 7:55:35 AM (2744 views)
Re: I Just Had the Grandest Idea - Maybe? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
2/25/2005 8:03:23 AM (2613 views)

My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Loretta Reed/MD
2/23/2005 10:40:59 PM (2335 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Loretta Reed/MD
2/24/2005 7:51:43 AM (2924 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jay Duncan
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/25/2005 4:01:55 PM (2862 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Helene/GA
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2005 9:44:56 PM (2777 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/26/2005 8:57:45 AM (3056 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 10:21:54 AM (2807 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/26/2005 11:59:39 AM (2946 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 1:10:31 PM (2768 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/26/2005 1:19:42 PM (2705 views)
Re: My pet peeve about "abstracting" companies - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
2/27/2005 5:58:14 PM (2672 views)

Arkansas Abstractors - Marty Munson/MI
2/23/2005 9:59:55 PM (2266 views)
Re: Arkansas Abstractors - Spencer Kinsey/AR
2/24/2005 8:59:28 PM (2636 views)

Out of pocket and need some help... - Spencer Kinsey/AR
2/23/2005 11:52:06 AM (2105 views)
Nevermind!! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
2/23/2005 12:05:00 PM (2697 views)

Ohio County Addresses Bulk Release of Public Records - Robert Franco/OH
2/23/2005 10:42:08 AM (2252 views)
Re: Ohio County Addresses Bulk Release of Public Records - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Radio Coverage of online "public" records - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Radio Coverage of online "public" records - Shannon Blatt/VA
2/22/2005 9:39:56 PM (3007 views)
Re: Radio Coverage of online "public" records - David Bloys/TX
2/23/2005 12:12:46 AM (3024 views)
Re: Radio Coverage of online "public" records - James Guill/VA
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Re: Radio Coverage of online "public" records - James Guill/VA
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Re: Radio Coverage of online "public" records - James Guill/VA
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SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE - ROY PISTEY/PA
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Re: SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE - Robert Franco/OH
2/22/2005 7:03:49 PM (2909 views)

Subscriptions... - Robert Franco/OH
2/21/2005 4:56:19 PM (2138 views)
Re: Subscriptions...another suggestion - Loretta Reed/MD
2/21/2005 5:18:44 PM (2897 views)
Re: Subscriptions...another suggestion - Robert Franco/OH
2/22/2005 11:55:17 AM (2833 views)
Re: Subscriptions...another suggestion - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/22/2005 1:48:50 PM (2819 views)
PS - I Just Checked Something - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/22/2005 1:52:52 PM (2776 views)
Re: Subscriptions...another suggestion - Robert Franco/OH
2/22/2005 2:11:49 PM (2797 views)

Toner refill kits..... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/21/2005 1:01:27 PM (2763 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Amanda Fuller/TX
2/21/2005 1:39:05 PM (2969 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/21/2005 4:11:19 PM (2861 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Loretta Reed/MD
2/21/2005 4:12:14 PM (2840 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Amanda Fuller/TX
2/21/2005 4:29:17 PM (2841 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/21/2005 5:33:40 PM (3002 views)
Re: Toner refill kits..... - Alan Hirsch/NY
2/21/2005 11:12:03 PM (3817 views)


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