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Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2529 views)
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Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
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Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
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NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
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Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
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Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
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Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
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Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2390 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (3841 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (3597 views)
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4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (3683 views)




SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2841 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (3553 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (3529 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (3461 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (3414 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (3474 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (3447 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3607 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (3514 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (3557 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (3528 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (3399 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (3553 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (3476 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (3386 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (3590 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (3436 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (3359 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (3401 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (3534 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kim Haase/MT
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Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/11/2005 7:31:15 PM (2556 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Cancellation policy... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Bernie O'Hare/PA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:33:02 PM (3349 views)

CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:18:26 AM (3348 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/12/2005 10:40:01 AM (3286 views)
I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
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Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
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Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - James Guill/VA
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/13/2005 12:23:25 AM (3017 views)
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:44:07 PM (3168 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/13/2005 8:46:42 PM (3103 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/14/2005 2:09:16 PM (2913 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/14/2005 4:34:18 PM (2939 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:26:35 AM (2775 views)

A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 11:58:45 AM (2434 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 9:51:07 PM (3331 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 11:30:11 AM (3261 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 2:23:11 PM (3186 views)

Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - christine hughes/MA
4/8/2005 7:07:42 PM (2718 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/9/2005 9:24:48 AM (3401 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/9/2005 2:52:53 PM (3359 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/10/2005 9:58:03 AM (3362 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/10/2005 9:54:15 PM (3389 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 6:15:02 AM (3291 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 8:01:17 AM (3259 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 8:30:59 AM (3398 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 9:33:49 AM (3269 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 3:10:35 PM (3325 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
4/11/2005 4:29:26 PM (3334 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 6:25:11 PM (3117 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/11/2005 6:55:22 PM (3215 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:01:25 AM (3250 views)

not paying? - tb/NJ
4/8/2005 6:53:33 PM (2494 views)
Re: not paying? - Aimee Raines Raines/VA
4/12/2005 7:25:38 PM (3212 views)


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