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Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 4:50:48 PM (2531 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
4/19/2005 5:24:28 PM (3692 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 5:32:36 PM (3767 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:41:46 PM (3768 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Breakell/CT
4/19/2005 6:49:34 PM (3711 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - David Bloys/TX
4/19/2005 8:37:10 PM (3768 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 8:47:28 PM (3827 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:09:56 PM (3626 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:30:57 PM (3751 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 10:29:06 PM (3731 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:28:24 AM (3798 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:18:18 AM (3762 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 8:58:25 AM (3714 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 9:20:53 AM (3715 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:34:47 AM (3727 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:46:20 PM (3655 views)

Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 1:48:33 PM (2585 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 10:49:43 PM (3817 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 11:18:06 PM (3784 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 11:40:34 PM (3797 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 3:20:11 PM (3689 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/20/2005 3:41:26 PM (3535 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 5:48:44 PM (3731 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/20/2005 6:08:46 PM (3572 views)

Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (4075 views)
Re: Countywide Abstract, Inc. - Francine Miller/NY
5/23/2005 10:18:04 AM (3559 views)

notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4625 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (4224 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (4185 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (4068 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (4232 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (4245 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (4154 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (4076 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (4212 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (3961 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (4220 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (4111 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (4012 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2548 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (3992 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (3869 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (3820 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (3778 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (3874 views)




Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2575 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (3791 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2785 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (3975 views)

Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2690 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (3924 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (3822 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (3828 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (3814 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2411 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (3942 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (3673 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (3796 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2868 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (3644 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (3612 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (3536 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (3498 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (3563 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (3534 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3701 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (3605 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (3653 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (3622 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (3488 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (3643 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (3561 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (3467 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (3689 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (3515 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (3449 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (3479 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (3612 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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