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Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/20/2005 4:50:43 PM (2541 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/20/2005 4:59:17 PM (3969 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/20/2005 5:17:29 PM (3970 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/20/2005 8:46:34 PM (3823 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 9:16:11 AM (3939 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 10:56:48 AM (4017 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Tony Costa/LA
4/20/2005 10:47:42 PM (3951 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:58:05 PM (3760 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 5:38:56 AM (3882 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 9:23:58 AM (6192 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 11:04:00 AM (3881 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 11:33:38 AM (3903 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Bonnie De Wolfe/CO
4/21/2005 2:44:57 PM (3888 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 3:05:32 PM (3853 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Bonnie De Wolfe/CO
4/21/2005 3:43:34 PM (4034 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/21/2005 8:10:31 PM (3943 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/22/2005 9:41:22 AM (3920 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/22/2005 10:53:13 AM (3909 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Amy Holder/NJ
4/22/2005 3:01:33 PM (3914 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/22/2005 8:20:42 PM (3875 views)

TRI COUNTY REPORT & ABSTRACT - shelley yu/NY
4/20/2005 2:51:41 PM (2073 views)

NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
4/20/2005 9:13:09 AM (3885 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 9:19:51 AM (3812 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 11:09:05 AM (3925 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 12:13:19 PM (5823 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/21/2005 10:59:40 AM (3792 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2005 11:12:49 AM (3952 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - David Bloys/TX
4/21/2005 9:08:19 PM (3867 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 12:22:39 AM (3810 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/22/2005 10:23:51 AM (3810 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:11:19 PM (3848 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:16:27 PM (3759 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 6:52:20 PM (3767 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 10:00:40 PM (3779 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 11:17:44 PM (3850 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/22/2005 11:21:42 PM (3869 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/23/2005 11:16:10 AM (3822 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Anita Williams/MN
4/24/2005 5:19:51 PM (3785 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/25/2005 12:24:10 PM (3695 views)

abstracting program - Annette Dorty/PA
4/19/2005 9:48:14 PM (2147 views)

Rich's surgery - monica froese/ME
4/19/2005 7:06:15 PM (2412 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 7:28:52 PM (3772 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:10:56 PM (3706 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
4/19/2005 10:15:25 PM (3648 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 8:24:01 AM (3712 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 9:00:20 AM (3719 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:47:16 PM (3743 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/20/2005 8:35:38 PM (3593 views)




Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 4:50:48 PM (2557 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
4/19/2005 5:24:28 PM (3807 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 5:32:36 PM (3882 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:41:46 PM (3899 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Breakell/CT
4/19/2005 6:49:34 PM (3838 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - David Bloys/TX
4/19/2005 8:37:10 PM (3891 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 8:47:28 PM (3945 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:09:56 PM (3749 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:30:57 PM (3869 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 10:29:06 PM (3849 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:28:24 AM (3911 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:18:18 AM (3877 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 8:58:25 AM (3840 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 9:20:53 AM (3820 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:34:47 AM (3838 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:46:20 PM (3772 views)

Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 1:48:33 PM (2608 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 10:49:43 PM (3918 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 11:18:06 PM (3892 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 11:40:34 PM (3906 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 3:20:11 PM (3795 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/20/2005 3:41:26 PM (3645 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 5:48:44 PM (3865 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/20/2005 6:08:46 PM (3681 views)

Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (4098 views)
Re: Countywide Abstract, Inc. - Francine Miller/NY
5/23/2005 10:18:04 AM (3639 views)

notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4647 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (4320 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (4296 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (4174 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (4319 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (4349 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (4229 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (4146 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (4308 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (4050 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (4292 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (4211 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (4098 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2558 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (4067 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (3950 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (3893 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (3855 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (3946 views)

Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2581 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (3863 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2803 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (4046 views)

Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2709 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (3990 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (3896 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (3899 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (3889 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2426 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (4028 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (3748 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (3884 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2905 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (3738 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (3698 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (3623 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (3586 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (3660 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (3625 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3795 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (3704 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (3742 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (3712 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (3576 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (3721 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (3646 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (3562 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (3773 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (3598 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (3546 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (3569 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (3706 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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