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NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
4/20/2005 9:13:09 AM (3764 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 9:19:51 AM (3426 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 11:09:05 AM (3546 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 12:13:19 PM (5437 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/21/2005 10:59:40 AM (3422 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2005 11:12:49 AM (3537 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - David Bloys/TX
4/21/2005 9:08:19 PM (3474 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 12:22:39 AM (3445 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/22/2005 10:23:51 AM (3404 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:11:19 PM (3420 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:16:27 PM (3381 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 6:52:20 PM (3401 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 10:00:40 PM (3399 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 11:17:44 PM (3394 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/22/2005 11:21:42 PM (3485 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/23/2005 11:16:10 AM (3438 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Anita Williams/MN
4/24/2005 5:19:51 PM (3429 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/25/2005 12:24:10 PM (3317 views)

abstracting program - Annette Dorty/PA
4/19/2005 9:48:14 PM (2064 views)

Rich's surgery - monica froese/ME
4/19/2005 7:06:15 PM (2323 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 7:28:52 PM (3362 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:10:56 PM (3323 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
4/19/2005 10:15:25 PM (3280 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 8:24:01 AM (3333 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 9:00:20 AM (3299 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:47:16 PM (3369 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/20/2005 8:35:38 PM (3245 views)

Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 4:50:48 PM (2470 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
4/19/2005 5:24:28 PM (3428 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 5:32:36 PM (3493 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:41:46 PM (3487 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Breakell/CT
4/19/2005 6:49:34 PM (3450 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - David Bloys/TX
4/19/2005 8:37:10 PM (3483 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 8:47:28 PM (3532 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:09:56 PM (3317 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:30:57 PM (3480 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 10:29:06 PM (3428 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:28:24 AM (3528 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:18:18 AM (3488 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 8:58:25 AM (3425 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 9:20:53 AM (3431 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:34:47 AM (3434 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:46:20 PM (3359 views)

Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 1:48:33 PM (2506 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 10:49:43 PM (3503 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 11:18:06 PM (3492 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 11:40:34 PM (3507 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 3:20:11 PM (3381 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/20/2005 3:41:26 PM (3275 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 5:48:44 PM (3406 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/20/2005 6:08:46 PM (3298 views)




Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (3950 views)
Re: Countywide Abstract, Inc. - Francine Miller/NY
5/23/2005 10:18:04 AM (3239 views)

notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4533 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (3886 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (3744 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (3706 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (3857 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (3904 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (3804 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (3713 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (3837 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (3586 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (3864 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (3766 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (3682 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2472 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (3633 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (3504 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (3468 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (3434 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (3532 views)

Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2507 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (3468 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2700 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (3617 views)

Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2607 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (3600 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (3512 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (3511 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (3501 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2330 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (3586 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (3380 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (3445 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2764 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (3325 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (3291 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (3250 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (3176 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (3244 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (3218 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3398 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (3261 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (3328 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (3306 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (3163 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (3311 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (3233 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (3143 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (3339 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (3202 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (3121 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (3163 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (3291 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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