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Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
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Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
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Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
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Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
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Real Title Services


SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2613 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (2961 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (2894 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (2828 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (2899 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (2856 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (3014 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (2874 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (2960 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (2940 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (2798 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (2943 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (2863 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (2799 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (2966 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (2845 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (2766 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (2792 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (2910 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kim Haase/MT
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Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/11/2005 7:31:15 PM (2334 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Cancellation policy... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Bernie O'Hare/PA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
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CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2005 5:04:14 PM (2269 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:18:26 AM (2768 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
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I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
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Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
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Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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4/13/2005 12:23:25 AM (2491 views)
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 11:58:45 AM (2251 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - christine hughes/MA
4/8/2005 7:07:42 PM (2482 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/10/2005 9:54:15 PM (2770 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 6:15:02 AM (2733 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 8:01:17 AM (2640 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 8:30:59 AM (2753 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/11/2005 9:33:49 AM (2615 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 3:10:35 PM (2688 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Michaela Urban/OH
4/11/2005 4:29:26 PM (2709 views)
Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Negative ratings to slow pay-no pay companies - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:01:25 AM (2710 views)

not paying? - tb/NJ
4/8/2005 6:53:33 PM (2285 views)
Re: not paying? - Aimee Raines Raines/VA
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