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Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/20/2005 4:50:43 PM (2255 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/20/2005 4:59:17 PM (3064 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/20/2005 5:17:29 PM (3051 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/20/2005 8:46:34 PM (3060 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 9:16:11 AM (3015 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 10:56:48 AM (3113 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Tony Costa/LA
4/20/2005 10:47:42 PM (3090 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:58:05 PM (3000 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 5:38:56 AM (2990 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 9:23:58 AM (5165 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 11:04:00 AM (2987 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Deborah Manion/VA
4/21/2005 11:33:38 AM (3011 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Bonnie De Wolfe/CO
4/21/2005 2:44:57 PM (2961 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/21/2005 3:05:32 PM (2958 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Bonnie De Wolfe/CO
4/21/2005 3:43:34 PM (3107 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/21/2005 8:10:31 PM (3051 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/22/2005 9:41:22 AM (3004 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/22/2005 10:53:13 AM (2982 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Amy Holder/NJ
4/22/2005 3:01:33 PM (2981 views)
Re: Any Civil War Afficionados Out There - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/22/2005 8:20:42 PM (3008 views)

TRI COUNTY REPORT & ABSTRACT - shelley yu/NY
4/20/2005 2:51:41 PM (1857 views)

NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
4/20/2005 9:13:09 AM (3566 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 9:19:51 AM (2963 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 11:09:05 AM (2985 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Jay Duncan/MO
4/20/2005 12:13:19 PM (4890 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/21/2005 10:59:40 AM (2905 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2005 11:12:49 AM (2965 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - David Bloys/TX
4/21/2005 9:08:19 PM (2952 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 12:22:39 AM (2897 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/22/2005 10:23:51 AM (3003 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:11:19 PM (2865 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 5:16:27 PM (2863 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 6:52:20 PM (2863 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - george Hubka/MI
4/22/2005 10:00:40 PM (2860 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/22/2005 11:17:44 PM (2840 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Robert Franco/OH
4/22/2005 11:21:42 PM (2966 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/23/2005 11:16:10 AM (2930 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Anita Williams/MN
4/24/2005 5:19:51 PM (2883 views)
Re: NALTEA Annual Conference 2005 - Patrick Scott/IL
4/25/2005 12:24:10 PM (2778 views)

abstracting program - Annette Dorty/PA
4/19/2005 9:48:14 PM (1930 views)

Rich's surgery - monica froese/ME
4/19/2005 7:06:15 PM (2131 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 7:28:52 PM (2900 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:10:56 PM (2823 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
4/19/2005 10:15:25 PM (2847 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/20/2005 8:24:01 AM (2842 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 9:00:20 AM (2780 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:47:16 PM (2822 views)
Re: Rich's surgery - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/20/2005 8:35:38 PM (2849 views)




Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 4:50:48 PM (2250 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
4/19/2005 5:24:28 PM (2935 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/19/2005 5:32:36 PM (2915 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:41:46 PM (2947 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Breakell/CT
4/19/2005 6:49:34 PM (2944 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - David Bloys/TX
4/19/2005 8:37:10 PM (2992 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 8:47:28 PM (2979 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 9:09:56 PM (2896 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:30:57 PM (2915 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
4/19/2005 10:29:06 PM (2853 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:28:24 AM (2975 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 7:18:18 AM (2915 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 8:58:25 AM (2893 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Larry Crooks/OH
4/20/2005 9:20:53 AM (2873 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/20/2005 10:34:47 AM (2879 views)
Re: Need your opinion please. - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/20/2005 5:46:20 PM (2907 views)

Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 1:48:33 PM (2306 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 10:49:43 PM (2918 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/19/2005 11:18:06 PM (2910 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 11:40:34 PM (2908 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 3:20:11 PM (2770 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/20/2005 3:41:26 PM (2762 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - george Hubka/MI
4/20/2005 5:48:44 PM (2804 views)
Re: Hey Shannon.... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/20/2005 6:08:46 PM (2731 views)

Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (3753 views)
Re: Countywide Abstract, Inc. - Francine Miller/NY
5/23/2005 10:18:04 AM (2711 views)

notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4346 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (3333 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (3274 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (3148 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (3273 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (3353 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (3230 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (3183 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (3253 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (3147 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (3420 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (3202 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (3181 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2271 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (3081 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (2942 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (2909 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (2909 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (2997 views)

Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2286 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (2909 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2515 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (3041 views)

Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2376 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (3032 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (3023 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (2932 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (2954 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2176 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (3051 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (2836 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (2860 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2564 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (2795 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (2693 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (2691 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (2650 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (2727 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (2628 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (2785 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (2658 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (2729 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (2717 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (2576 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (2723 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (2655 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (2639 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (2739 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (2625 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (2546 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (2583 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (2673 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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