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Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (3643 views)
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notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4255 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (3087 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (3038 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (2911 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (3038 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (3110 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (2984 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (2948 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (3006 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (2896 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (3169 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (2966 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (2943 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2132 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (2839 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (2696 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (2661 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (2678 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (2757 views)

Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2160 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (2615 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2427 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (2768 views)




Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2267 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (2799 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (2771 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (2690 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (2708 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2093 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (2788 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (2593 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (2618 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2437 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (2511 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (2420 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (2398 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (2385 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (2471 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (2369 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (2520 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (2408 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (2461 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (2402 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (2323 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (2467 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (2400 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (2372 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (2492 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (2368 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (2293 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (2294 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (2391 views)

You are missing the point, but that does not surprise me. Let's talk about the real world as you choose to call it, rather than the fantasy land which you have described. Have you performed a closing recently?  It really helps if you can speak from practical experience.

In most closings the mortgage (DOT as it is known in your area) is executed in duplicate and sometimes in triplicate. There is a reason for this. There is a duplicate to replace a lost mortgage just as in the scenario that you have described. Pam's posting above indicates that she called her client, and was told that everything was alright. I assume from that statement that either she returned the mortgage which was at issue or that the title company had a duplicate original to record. In some state's making that statement without notication of a problem and resulting charges to her can constitute a waiver of claim against her for the penalty she was charged...at the very least it is a least a prior inconsistent statement impeaching the credibility of the claimant if the matter were to go to trial.

Based on the posting of Pam's client, I see several problems. The client indicated that it had made five attempts by telephone to contact her, and left five voice mail messages. Why would anyone send a document for recording to an abstractor that was obviously not available? Furthermore, the client should have indicated to UPS, FED EX or the U.S. Postal Service that the abstractor had to sign for the documents before they could be delivered. Otherwise they would be returned to the client. This is a common practice with title companies. Why was it not done in Pam's case? Good sense would dictate that the mortgage recording should have been reassigned to another abstractor rather than insisting on the services of an unavailable abstractor. At least that is the way it works in this area.

I also have difficulty with the amount of the penalty charged to her.The postings have not said whether the closing in question was a sale, refi of Heloc. A notary's witness closing fee for a refi or heloc is usually in the rage of $50.00. If you do not believe me, monitor some of the postings on the signing agent's boards, and you will see that most of them complain about not receiving a fee in excess of $50.00. This seems to be especially true in rural areas such as North Carolina (no offense intended to North Carolinians). The original cost of the notary's witness closing is an expense that would have been borne by the title company regardless of the recording problem, and should not be passed along to Pam. The cost of recording is also an expense that would have been borne by the title company, and should not be passed along to Pam. If there was no duplicate original of the mortgage, and a new mortgage had to be executed the notary's cost may even be less than a notary's full fee of $50.00 because the notary is witnessing only one document out of the entire loan package. It is not unusual for a signing service to request this, and they always find some notary willing to accept it. Of all the time spent in a closing, it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to sign, notarize, witness and initial each page of a mortgage.  Consequently, I think the $100.00 charge to Pam was excessive. At the very least she is entitled to an itemized accounting of that for which she is being charged, and she should request it. Do you really think that is too much to ask?

With respect to the need for recording a mortgage, I have not minimized the importance thereof. The point you are missing is that because of its importance there are safety valves purposely built into the closing process to accomplish the recording and to avoid the picture of disaster that you have described.

In so far as any hostility that you may have perceived in my earlier postings, I would have to disagree with you. However, If I am wrong, it was probably a response to the arrogance, tone and colorful language contained in your earlier postings.



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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:09:52 AM (2329 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 8:33:40 AM (2483 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:24:25 PM (2352 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 12:28:21 PM (2406 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - John PAxton/NC
4/15/2005 3:41:51 PM (2342 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/15/2005 4:20:06 PM (2335 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 10:53:18 PM (2289 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/14/2005 8:02:09 PM (2342 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:07:38 PM (2331 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:32:34 PM (2296 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 7:55:29 AM (2333 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:15:12 AM (2332 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 9:17:15 AM (2279 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:21:40 PM (2308 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 11:41:55 PM (2044 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
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Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
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Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
4/11/2005 11:52:58 PM (2135 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Loretta Reed/MD
4/12/2005 8:38:23 AM (2593 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 1:55:36 PM (2511 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 4:54:15 PM (2539 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:45:43 PM (2617 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 1:10:20 PM (2494 views)

Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/11/2005 7:31:15 PM (2199 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 7:36:16 PM (2540 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2005 8:13:50 PM (2510 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/11/2005 11:21:59 PM (2422 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/12/2005 1:46:12 AM (2443 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:36:10 AM (2395 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/12/2005 7:29:01 PM (2426 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:04:15 PM (2429 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:51:36 PM (2430 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Bernie O'Hare/PA
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Re: Cancellation policy... - Deborah Manion/VA
4/13/2005 8:53:08 AM (5886 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:41:22 AM (2399 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:33:02 PM (2316 views)

CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2005 5:04:14 PM (2135 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
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I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
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Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
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Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
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A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 11:58:45 AM (2132 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 8:47:40 PM (2284 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
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Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 9:55:10 AM (3869 views)
Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 11:30:11 AM (2148 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
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