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Countywide Abstract, Inc. - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:46:38 PM (3643 views)
Re: Countywide Abstract, Inc. - Francine Miller/NY
5/23/2005 10:18:04 AM (2500 views)

notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 6:21:17 AM (4255 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 8:19:27 AM (3087 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:25:08 AM (3037 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Norean Cashwell/GA
4/19/2005 7:53:10 PM (2910 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 8:04:04 PM (3038 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
4/19/2005 9:39:39 AM (3110 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 9:56:53 AM (2984 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/19/2005 10:29:23 AM (2947 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Judy Nisonger/CA
4/19/2005 11:17:53 AM (3006 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 1:57:14 PM (2896 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/19/2005 11:23:43 AM (3169 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/19/2005 12:37:16 PM (2966 views)
Re: notary blacklist? - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/19/2005 1:12:23 PM (2943 views)

Creating Business - Mark Sizemore/IN
4/18/2005 11:58:33 AM (2132 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 2:56:53 PM (2839 views)
Re: Creating Business - george Hubka/MI
4/18/2005 5:43:24 PM (2696 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 7:01:48 PM (2661 views)
Re: Creating Business - Jay Duncan/MO
4/18/2005 8:23:48 PM (2678 views)
Re: Creating Business - Loretta Reed/MD
4/18/2005 8:31:23 PM (2757 views)

Conference forum - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/17/2005 11:30:38 PM (2160 views)
Re: Conference forum - Robert Franco/OH
4/18/2005 10:31:17 AM (2615 views)

NNBS/Anytime Services - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 8:00:46 PM (2427 views)
Re: NNBS/Anytime Services - Matt Pardue/KY
5/2/2005 9:58:39 PM (2768 views)




Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
4/14/2005 1:41:13 PM (2267 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:58:41 PM (2799 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:15:20 PM (2771 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Becky Cantrall/NC
4/14/2005 7:55:23 PM (2690 views)
Re: Anyone know about Stonewood Group? - Rachel Crain/CA
4/21/2005 3:11:16 AM (2708 views)

Mortgage Verification - Sue/PA
4/13/2005 12:03:36 PM (2093 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:20:12 PM (2788 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Tammy Harkay/OH
4/28/2005 9:48:48 PM (2593 views)
Re: Mortgage Verification - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/30/2005 12:13:50 AM (2618 views)

SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/13/2005 9:47:00 AM (2437 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:34:03 AM (2511 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:25:00 PM (2420 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:23:26 PM (2398 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/13/2005 10:16:54 PM (2385 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 5:37:14 AM (2471 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 12:06:30 PM (2369 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 12:31:54 PM (2520 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 1:08:27 PM (2408 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 1:50:30 PM (2461 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Barbara Bennett/IN
4/14/2005 5:18:01 PM (2402 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:37:40 PM (2323 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 7:29:28 PM (2467 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/14/2005 8:15:17 PM (2400 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:04:33 PM (2372 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 6:54:15 AM (2492 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 8:18:35 PM (2368 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Robert Franco/OH
4/15/2005 8:50:55 PM (2293 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:56:59 AM (2294 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/16/2005 7:50:31 AM (2391 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:09:52 AM (2328 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/15/2005 8:33:40 AM (2483 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:24:25 PM (2352 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/15/2005 12:28:21 PM (2406 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - John PAxton/NC
4/15/2005 3:41:51 PM (2342 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/15/2005 4:20:06 PM (2335 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 10:53:18 PM (2289 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/14/2005 8:02:09 PM (2342 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
4/14/2005 10:07:38 PM (2331 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - PAM DESMARAIS/NC
4/14/2005 11:32:34 PM (2296 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 7:55:29 AM (2333 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:15:12 AM (2332 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - David Bloys/TX
4/15/2005 9:17:15 AM (2279 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - george Hubka/MI
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Unida ukinclue/NC
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Re: SECURED TITLE - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
4/16/2005 12:41:23 PM (2220 views)
Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Re: SECURED TITLE...putting my 2 cents worth in - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/16/2005 5:03:59 PM (2179 views)

more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 11:41:55 PM (2044 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:29:27 AM (2378 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
4/13/2005 10:35:35 AM (2296 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 11:15:21 AM (2338 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Kim Haase/MT
4/13/2005 11:51:21 AM (2290 views)
Re: more unlocked articles - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 1:17:02 PM (2236 views)

Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - John Flanders/GA
4/11/2005 11:52:58 PM (2135 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Loretta Reed/MD
4/12/2005 8:38:23 AM (2593 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 1:55:36 PM (2511 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 4:54:15 PM (2539 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:45:43 PM (2617 views)
Re: Help for someone who wants to become a title abstractor - Kim Haase/MT
4/12/2005 1:10:20 PM (2494 views)

Cancellation policy... - Loretta Reed/MD
4/11/2005 7:31:15 PM (2199 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2005 7:36:16 PM (2540 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2005 8:13:50 PM (2510 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
4/11/2005 11:21:59 PM (2422 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/12/2005 1:46:12 AM (2443 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:36:10 AM (2395 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/12/2005 7:29:01 PM (2426 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:04:15 PM (2428 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/12/2005 10:51:36 PM (2430 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:39:02 AM (2404 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Bernie O'Hare/PA
4/12/2005 9:06:10 PM (2387 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Deborah Manion/VA
4/13/2005 8:53:08 AM (5886 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 10:41:22 AM (2399 views)
Re: Cancellation policy... - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 1:33:02 PM (2316 views)

CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2005 5:04:14 PM (2135 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Mark Russomanno/NJ
4/11/2005 5:25:03 PM (2323 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Breakell/CT
4/11/2005 6:05:14 PM (2442 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/12/2005 8:18:26 AM (2350 views)
Re: CNBC Special on Real Estate Boom - Robert Franco/OH
4/12/2005 10:40:01 AM (2350 views)
I asked this same question on another forum - Susie/OH
4/13/2005 9:19:51 PM (2358 views)

Realty Track - Cathy Iffergan/TX
4/10/2005 8:03:57 PM (1812 views)

Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
4/9/2005 4:01:57 PM (2223 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 6:03:25 PM (2202 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 7:55:10 PM (2176 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 9:12:57 PM (2125 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/10/2005 9:44:08 AM (2143 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 1:22:40 PM (2156 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2005 7:51:59 AM (2139 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - James Guill/VA
4/10/2005 5:16:05 PM (2137 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 6:23:31 PM (2103 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/10/2005 6:31:25 PM (2153 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - James Guill/VA
4/10/2005 6:54:30 PM (2136 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/10/2005 11:39:16 PM (2071 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/10/2005 9:46:47 PM (2139 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/10/2005 10:53:40 PM (2098 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/11/2005 4:30:01 PM (2119 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2005 7:26:32 PM (3886 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 5:30:04 PM (2037 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/12/2005 8:59:58 PM (3779 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 9:44:36 PM (2158 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/13/2005 12:23:25 AM (2077 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 1:59:55 PM (2053 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 2:58:04 PM (2046 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/13/2005 3:33:52 PM (2041 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Robert Franco/OH
4/13/2005 3:43:32 PM (2058 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 4:24:27 PM (2036 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 3:44:07 PM (2065 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/13/2005 4:39:34 PM (2089 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/13/2005 5:16:30 PM (2031 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/13/2005 8:46:42 PM (2017 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Ellen Malloy/MO
4/12/2005 8:49:10 AM (1952 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Douglas Gallant/OH
4/13/2005 5:13:57 PM (1946 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 10:17:49 AM (1965 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 12:19:01 PM (3622 views)

Amen to Doug's posting:  If you are not local you are probably not running the records properly. 
I agree very much with this. This is why when I set up  This was the sentiment of my clients when they asked for referrals to abstractors outside of the counties we serve. Remote access was not of much concern if the company or county providing the access would stand behind the accuracy. They also wanted local abstractors who would be aware of any differences between in the available data available remotely and that which could only be provided at the courthouse. I set up the Texas Directory of Independent Local Abstractors and Researchers TXDILAR to provide my clients with a directory that would list only those abstractors who lived in or near the counties they served. Because of the expanse and number of Texas Counties this limit was placed at 120 miles.I don't know if any of these abstractors are doing online searches but I do know they at least have the ability to do the searches at the courthouse. They are also more likely to know the differences of what can and cannot be done remotely.

When I looked at the Heineman scam, two of the rural counties that I search were not hit
This is the same situation I found here in Texas. I searhced the offline indexes of about 20 counties that were in my territory and asked other local abstractors to do the same as they visited the other counties. None of the offline counties contained the suspect files. When I went online, I found every county I searched contained one or more. I don't know if this was because Heineman used the online sources to search for victims, if they used the online sources because these could be searched remotely, or if this was just a function of more population in the online counties.

My concerns about "online" access are with the government agencies who allow it more than abstractors who may access it. Many of these agencies do not seem to realize the harm they are causing the citizens of their community. Some also seem unaware the Internet reaches far beyond their jurisdiction and control. I think the disclaimers illustrate this. The counties don't want to take responsibility for accuracy they cannot control and the technology companies don't either. In spite of service providers claims of secure sites hackers readily maneuver in, around and through these sites from anywhere in the world. In the past hackers usually didn't stop at unauthorized access. They would often manipulate the data to suit themselves or even take total control over the system. This is what happened when terrorists hacked into a GIS site and used it to display a grissly beheading of an American citizen. If hackers can do this, imagine if they simply deleated or altered a few hundred or a few thousand releases, deeds or mortgages?

Eventually this would be descovered and it could be corrected from backup files. But who knows how much damage might be done before it was discovered? A single hacker might only redact or change tax liens or judgments filed against him or someone who pays him. Any abstractor accessing the database online would be unaware the documents existed. But abstractor and his client might be held responsible when the error was found if the officials records had been refreshed from backup and showed the missing document.

I have similar concerns regarding the bulk transfer of the public records to outside parties for commercial use. In Florida, the laws were changed to allow their citizens to have sensitive information redacted from the online records. Governor Jeb Bush himself availed himself of this law to have his and his wife's social security number redacted from the online record displayed in the image of a deed. But this redaction only applies to the online records as displayed by the county. It had no effect on the hundreds of copies that have been bought in bulk, aggregated, for display and sale over the Webb.

The solution seems very simple to me. Remote access can be allowed but it must be controlled within the jurisdiction. Is not possible to control digitized images displayed over the Internet or sold in bulk. Once they are released in bulk this way, they are gone forever. The county loses revenue, professionals lose the accurate and responsible source provided by the county, and their citizens lose their identity and security.

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Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/14/2005 2:25:14 PM (1875 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 2:48:53 PM (1850 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/14/2005 3:27:31 PM (1879 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 5:53:29 PM (1840 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/14/2005 2:09:16 PM (1864 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/14/2005 4:34:18 PM (1893 views)
Re: Taking a Poll on Computerized Registries - george Hubka/MI
4/15/2005 8:26:35 AM (1856 views)

A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 11:58:45 AM (2132 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 12:37:15 PM (2287 views)
Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 7:59:46 PM (2317 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 8:34:20 PM (2324 views)
Re: A technological solution - george Hubka/MI
4/9/2005 8:47:40 PM (2284 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/9/2005 9:00:08 PM (2258 views)
Re: A technological solution - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
4/12/2005 9:51:07 PM (2244 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 9:55:10 AM (3869 views)
Re: A technological solution - Donna Grady/NC
4/14/2005 11:30:11 AM (2148 views)
Re: A technological solution - David Bloys/TX
4/14/2005 2:23:11 PM (2059 views)


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