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Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 11:02:12 AM (2793 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
6/2/2005 2:05:41 PM (4490 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 5:37:01 PM (4013 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 7:57:28 PM (4180 views)
Hey, Deborah! - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 10:58:22 PM (4308 views)
Re: Hey, Deborah! - Deborah Manion/VA
6/3/2005 8:47:26 AM (4248 views)

Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 6:48:39 PM (2983 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 7:04:05 PM (4665 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 7:23:36 PM (4617 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - David Bloys/TX
6/1/2005 8:12:36 PM (4443 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/2/2005 8:35:02 AM (4347 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:39:50 PM (4411 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 9:14:57 PM (4633 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 9:27:37 PM (4684 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:45:22 PM (4474 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2005 9:54:17 AM (4218 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/3/2005 1:42:44 PM (4553 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Michaela Urban/OH
6/3/2005 4:05:54 PM (4490 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:23:32 PM (4130 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Deborah Manion/VA
6/6/2005 7:09:38 AM (4106 views)

Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 12:52:00 PM (3908 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:00:52 PM (4045 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 6:33:15 PM (4005 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:37:02 PM (3957 views)

NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:39:37 AM (3207 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/2/2005 9:24:07 AM (4085 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Susie/OH
6/4/2005 2:25:40 PM (4328 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:35:31 PM (4040 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - MARC DAVIS/NY
6/22/2005 9:05:44 AM (3973 views)

6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/1/2005 12:03:01 AM (2780 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 5:48:02 PM (4086 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Robert Franco/OH
6/13/2005 5:52:16 PM (4127 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 6:02:59 PM (4044 views)




Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/31/2005 11:42:41 AM (3029 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2005 1:45:06 PM (4175 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 2:46:31 PM (4370 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Kim Haase/MT
5/31/2005 3:05:27 PM (4395 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 7:50:07 AM (4007 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:34:09 AM (4124 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:45:29 PM (3842 views)

Get Certified!!! - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
5/31/2005 11:20:26 AM (4248 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/31/2005 7:42:49 PM (4212 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:49:35 PM (4061 views)

re:informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:21:26 AM (2181 views)

IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:33:12 AM (2647 views)
Re: IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 7:39:07 PM (3927 views)

Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2247 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3909 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:43:59 PM (4234 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:26:43 AM (3820 views)

Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2430 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (4092 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (4185 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (4125 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (4078 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (4006 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3942 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (4120 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (4007 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3978 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3944 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3921 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3952 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3877 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3871 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3977 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (4204 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (4094 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (4186 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3881 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3896 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3964 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (4146 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2943 views)

Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:14:32 AM (2462 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 8:08:43 AM (4192 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 9:41:31 AM (4067 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 11:26:01 AM (4081 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:38:11 PM (4147 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 10:28:13 AM (4193 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:31:28 PM (4145 views)
Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 2:52:14 PM (4134 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (4170 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (4140 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:49:17 AM (3945 views)
Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:42:36 PM (4093 views)
Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
5/27/2005 9:17:32 PM (4141 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jacqueline Costa/RI
5/27/2005 9:41:31 PM (4124 views)
Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
5/27/2005 10:09:20 PM (4093 views)
Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
5/27/2005 11:30:24 PM (4076 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:00:54 AM (3833 views)
Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/28/2005 3:25:58 AM (3828 views)
Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:55:42 AM (3932 views)
Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
5/29/2005 11:45:56 PM (3856 views)
Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/31/2005 10:58:00 AM (3803 views)
Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:28:40 AM (3873 views)

Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/26/2005 10:28:57 PM (2406 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Patrick Scott/IL
5/27/2005 9:48:10 AM (4114 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:39:37 PM (3899 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 12:09:53 PM (3894 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:41:27 PM (3937 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 4:55:13 PM (3905 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:48:08 PM (3800 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:04:25 AM (3764 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:46:28 PM (3822 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/31/2005 11:06:39 AM (3716 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:34:28 AM (3730 views)

Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
5/26/2005 5:00:06 PM (2657 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Julie Jasiunas/WI
5/27/2005 9:52:07 AM (3909 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Deborah Manion/VA
5/27/2005 11:07:45 AM (3885 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - David Nixon/MA
5/27/2005 3:27:15 PM (3923 views)
Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
5/27/2005 7:03:33 PM (4145 views)


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