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E&O - Donna McKamy/MT
6/3/2005 6:54:35 PM (2604 views)
Re: E&O - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: E&O - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: E&O - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: E&O - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/5/2005 1:44:22 PM (3373 views)

Average Salary - Cathy/TX
6/2/2005 3:36:51 PM (2815 views)
Re: Average Salary - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 4:33:58 PM (3651 views)
Re: Average FL Salary - Kurt deVries/FL
6/3/2005 2:53:59 PM (3709 views)
Re: Average Salary - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/3/2005 4:33:38 PM (3631 views)

NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/2/2005 12:48:59 PM (2753 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene G/GA
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Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/3/2005 11:07:16 PM (3517 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/6/2005 4:11:21 PM (3566 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene/GA
6/7/2005 10:26:58 PM (3789 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/7/2005 11:36:15 PM (3887 views)

Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 11:02:12 AM (2662 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
6/2/2005 2:05:41 PM (3901 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 5:37:01 PM (3538 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 7:57:28 PM (3733 views)
Hey, Deborah! - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 10:58:22 PM (3904 views)
Re: Hey, Deborah! - Deborah Manion/VA
6/3/2005 8:47:26 AM (3797 views)

Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 6:48:39 PM (2831 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 7:04:05 PM (4179 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 7:23:36 PM (4164 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - David Bloys/TX
6/1/2005 8:12:36 PM (4000 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/2/2005 8:35:02 AM (3920 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:39:50 PM (3938 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 9:14:57 PM (4166 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 9:27:37 PM (4237 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:45:22 PM (4028 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2005 9:54:17 AM (3798 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/3/2005 1:42:44 PM (4095 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Michaela Urban/OH
6/3/2005 4:05:54 PM (4059 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:23:32 PM (3677 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Deborah Manion/VA
6/6/2005 7:09:38 AM (3662 views)




Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 12:52:00 PM (3786 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:00:52 PM (3647 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 6:33:15 PM (3622 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:37:02 PM (3552 views)

NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:39:37 AM (3067 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/2/2005 9:24:07 AM (3721 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Susie/OH
6/4/2005 2:25:40 PM (3938 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:35:31 PM (3657 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - MARC DAVIS/NY
6/22/2005 9:05:44 AM (3577 views)

6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/1/2005 12:03:01 AM (2672 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 5:48:02 PM (3713 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Robert Franco/OH
6/13/2005 5:52:16 PM (3720 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 6:02:59 PM (3628 views)

Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/31/2005 11:42:41 AM (2922 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2005 1:45:06 PM (3808 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 2:46:31 PM (3980 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Kim Haase/MT
5/31/2005 3:05:27 PM (4004 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 7:50:07 AM (3599 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:34:09 AM (3738 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:45:29 PM (3456 views)

Get Certified!!! - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
5/31/2005 11:20:26 AM (4131 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/31/2005 7:42:49 PM (3789 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:49:35 PM (3701 views)

re:informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:21:26 AM (2076 views)

IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:33:12 AM (2554 views)
Re: IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 7:39:07 PM (3586 views)

Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2158 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3596 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:43:59 PM (3737 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:26:43 AM (3493 views)

Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2345 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3769 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3846 views)

I have not seen this type of fee yet, however I believe that it is prohibited by RESPA.  I don't believe that a settlement agent is permitted to mark up a third party fee unless they are adding value in the process.  Section 8 of RESPA prohibits anyone from giving or accepting a fee, kickback or any thing of value in exchange for referrals of settlement service business involving a federally related mortgage loan. In addition, RESPA prohibits fee splitting and receiving unearned fees for services not actually performed.

There have been several law suits regarding this type of markup. The most prominent is Echevarria v. Chicago Title.  The suit was based on a claim that Chicago Title marked up the recording fee of the mortgage and kept the overage.  The plaintiffs argued that this was illegal fee splitting because they shared the recording fee with the county recorder, and the trial court agreed.

However, the case was overturned by the Court of Appeals, which stated that the recorder charged its normal fee and did not share in the overage, thus there was no third party involved in the splitting of the fee.

HUD's position in the past has been that Section 8(b) is not "limited to situations where at least two persons split or share an unearned fee," but rather renders any increases in passed-on charges unlawful.  I do not know if they have changed their position on this, but I think they will probably be addressing it with more legislation in the future.  In any regard, the court felt that HUD was "expanding RESPA liability past the point authorized by Congress" with this interpretation of Section 8.

At this time, the courts seem to disagree with HUD on the matter, but I would not want to be involved in this type of marked-up fee.  I think that increasing a fee when nothing has been done to increase its value is morally wrong, regardless of the current regulations or case law.

I haven't seen any updates on this topic in a while, so maybe something has changed if these fees are becoming more common.  Still, if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, its probably a duck. 

Maybe if anyone has more information they will share it with us.

Good topic,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3783 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3764 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3660 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3591 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3762 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3682 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3646 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3619 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3594 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3600 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3521 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3519 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3635 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3855 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3776 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3823 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3540 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3569 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3622 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3798 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2862 views)


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