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Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2090 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3374 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
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Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
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Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2267 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3528 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3613 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3541 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3523 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3419 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3357 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3527 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3468 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3402 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3358 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3360 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3341 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3267 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3287 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3386 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3631 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3519 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3599 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3325 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3323 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3405 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3571 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2801 views)

Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:14:32 AM (2264 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 8:08:43 AM (3602 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 9:41:31 AM (3481 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 11:26:01 AM (3520 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:38:11 PM (3534 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 10:28:13 AM (3637 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:31:28 PM (3582 views)
Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 2:52:14 PM (3580 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (3544 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (3580 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:49:17 AM (3331 views)
Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:42:36 PM (3526 views)
Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
5/27/2005 9:17:32 PM (3566 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jacqueline Costa/RI
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Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
5/27/2005 10:09:20 PM (3500 views)
Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
5/27/2005 11:30:24 PM (3515 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:00:54 AM (3262 views)
Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/28/2005 3:25:58 AM (3274 views)
Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
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Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/31/2005 10:58:00 AM (3225 views)
Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/26/2005 10:28:57 PM (2216 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Patrick Scott/IL
5/27/2005 9:48:10 AM (3567 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:39:37 PM (3356 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 12:09:53 PM (3377 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:41:27 PM (3385 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/27/2005 4:55:13 PM (3343 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:48:08 PM (3235 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:04:25 AM (3222 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/30/2005 2:46:28 PM (3220 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Jay Duncan/MO
5/31/2005 11:06:39 AM (3176 views)
Re: Assignments without recorded Deeds of Trust - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:34:28 AM (3151 views)


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Urban Settlement Services LLC - christine hughes/MA
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Urban Settlement Services LLC - Deborah Manion/VA
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Texas abstractors-please help - Michael Frank/TX
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Am I the only one left? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Am I the only one left? - MJ/VA
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Am I the only one left? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Now You Can!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
5/24/2005 9:12:35 PM (3023 views)

Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 8:11:11 PM (2190 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
5/23/2005 8:31:57 PM (3294 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jay Duncan/MO
5/23/2005 10:28:11 PM (3341 views)
Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Son's Surgery - For Those Who Wanted Me to Keep Them Informed - monica froese/ME
5/25/2005 4:01:06 PM (3202 views)

To My Fellow SOT Members - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:46:49 PM (2185 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 8:48:28 PM (3266 views)
Re: To My Fellow SOT Members - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:13:48 PM (3108 views)

Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/23/2005 11:38:13 AM (2325 views)
Re: Job change - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Job change - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Job change - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Job change - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/24/2005 2:06:28 PM (3221 views)
Re: Job change - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/24/2005 2:30:45 PM (3215 views)
Re: Job change - Deborah Manion/VA
5/25/2005 10:00:07 AM (3277 views)
Re: Job change - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 10:24:42 AM (2998 views)

Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 11:03:20 AM (2292 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Kurt deVries/FL
5/23/2005 2:22:34 PM (3419 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - David Bloys/TX
5/23/2005 2:30:17 PM (3415 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:33:37 PM (3426 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:52:11 PM (3551 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:42:33 PM (3418 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - george Hubka/MI
5/25/2005 12:12:22 AM (3427 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/25/2005 10:54:24 AM (3384 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 3:36:53 PM (3450 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
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Re: Criminal Searches? - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:46:41 PM (3400 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Sandra Morton/KS
5/23/2005 3:50:08 PM (3441 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/23/2005 7:50:56 PM (3349 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Scott Perry/PA
5/23/2005 7:34:12 PM (3374 views)
Re: Criminal Searches? - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:56:16 PM (2955 views)

Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Ray Miller/NJ
5/22/2005 7:25:15 PM (2200 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/22/2005 11:14:18 PM (3281 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - george Hubka/MI
5/25/2005 12:21:33 AM (3386 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/25/2005 11:38:07 AM (3282 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:09:17 AM (3331 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Mark Russomanno/NJ
5/23/2005 5:22:31 PM (3330 views)
Re: Career as Title Examiner/Searcher in NJ - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 6:18:14 PM (3317 views)

Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
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Re: Scanner - David Bloys/TX
5/21/2005 6:13:56 PM (3405 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:04:29 AM (3375 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/21/2005 10:21:02 PM (3336 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/22/2005 11:06:22 AM (3357 views)
Re: Scanner - Kim Haase/MT
5/22/2005 1:46:47 PM (3344 views)
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5/23/2005 12:11:35 AM (3416 views)
Re: Scanner - Tammy Harkay/OH
5/23/2005 3:45:23 PM (3417 views)
Re: Scanner - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/24/2005 11:27:58 PM (3240 views)
Re: Scanner - Robert Franco/OH
5/23/2005 3:56:44 PM (3321 views)
Re: Scanner - Spencer Kinsey/AR
5/23/2005 5:07:00 PM (3261 views)


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