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E&O - Donna McKamy/MT
6/3/2005 6:54:35 PM (2608 views)
Re: E&O - Jay Duncan/MO
6/3/2005 9:10:23 PM (3494 views)
Re: E&O - Loretta Reed/MD
6/3/2005 9:25:17 PM (3580 views)
Re: E&O - Michaela Urban/OH
6/5/2005 12:48:06 PM (3319 views)
Re: E&O - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/5/2005 1:44:22 PM (3387 views)

Average Salary - Cathy/TX
6/2/2005 3:36:51 PM (2821 views)
Re: Average Salary - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 4:33:58 PM (3656 views)
Re: Average FL Salary - Kurt deVries/FL
6/3/2005 2:53:59 PM (3718 views)
Re: Average Salary - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/3/2005 4:33:38 PM (3636 views)

NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/2/2005 12:48:59 PM (2757 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene G/GA
6/2/2005 11:40:25 PM (3536 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/3/2005 11:07:16 PM (3524 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/6/2005 4:11:21 PM (3572 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene/GA
6/7/2005 10:26:58 PM (3796 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/7/2005 11:36:15 PM (3897 views)

Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 11:02:12 AM (2663 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
6/2/2005 2:05:41 PM (3912 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 5:37:01 PM (3550 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 7:57:28 PM (3738 views)
Hey, Deborah! - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 10:58:22 PM (3913 views)
Re: Hey, Deborah! - Deborah Manion/VA
6/3/2005 8:47:26 AM (3801 views)

Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 6:48:39 PM (2834 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 7:04:05 PM (4189 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 7:23:36 PM (4173 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - David Bloys/TX
6/1/2005 8:12:36 PM (4012 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/2/2005 8:35:02 AM (3931 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:39:50 PM (3949 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 9:14:57 PM (4176 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 9:27:37 PM (4244 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:45:22 PM (4039 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2005 9:54:17 AM (3804 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/3/2005 1:42:44 PM (4102 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Michaela Urban/OH
6/3/2005 4:05:54 PM (4066 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:23:32 PM (3686 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Deborah Manion/VA
6/6/2005 7:09:38 AM (3666 views)




Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 12:52:00 PM (3788 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:00:52 PM (3657 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 6:33:15 PM (3628 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:37:02 PM (3560 views)

NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:39:37 AM (3068 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/2/2005 9:24:07 AM (3728 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Susie/OH
6/4/2005 2:25:40 PM (3946 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:35:31 PM (3665 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - MARC DAVIS/NY
6/22/2005 9:05:44 AM (3583 views)

6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/1/2005 12:03:01 AM (2675 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 5:48:02 PM (3721 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Robert Franco/OH
6/13/2005 5:52:16 PM (3727 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 6:02:59 PM (3638 views)

Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/31/2005 11:42:41 AM (2924 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2005 1:45:06 PM (3812 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 2:46:31 PM (3986 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Kim Haase/MT
5/31/2005 3:05:27 PM (4011 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 7:50:07 AM (3607 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:34:09 AM (3743 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:45:29 PM (3462 views)

Get Certified!!! - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
5/31/2005 11:20:26 AM (4132 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/31/2005 7:42:49 PM (3798 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:49:35 PM (3708 views)

re:informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:21:26 AM (2078 views)

IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:33:12 AM (2559 views)
Re: IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 7:39:07 PM (3594 views)

Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2158 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3602 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:43:59 PM (3745 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:26:43 AM (3499 views)

Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2345 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3775 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3851 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3790 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3770 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3667 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3600 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3772 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3687 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3650 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3626 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3605 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3610 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3527 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3525 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3641 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3866 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3782 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3829 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3546 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3576 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3630 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3806 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2862 views)


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