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Average Salary - Cathy/TX
6/2/2005 3:36:51 PM (2706 views)
Re: Average Salary - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 4:33:58 PM (3325 views)
Re: Average FL Salary - Kurt deVries/FL
6/3/2005 2:53:59 PM (3355 views)
Re: Average Salary - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/3/2005 4:33:38 PM (3290 views)

NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/2/2005 12:48:59 PM (2652 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene G/GA
6/2/2005 11:40:25 PM (3190 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/3/2005 11:07:16 PM (3150 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - michelle foskey/GA
6/6/2005 4:11:21 PM (3222 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Helene/GA
6/7/2005 10:26:58 PM (3448 views)
Re: NON PAYING CLIENT - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/7/2005 11:36:15 PM (3564 views)

Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 11:02:12 AM (2533 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
6/2/2005 2:05:41 PM (3512 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 5:37:01 PM (3186 views)
Re: Kim's informal poll - Deborah Manion/VA
6/2/2005 7:57:28 PM (3344 views)
Hey, Deborah! - Scott Perry/PA
6/2/2005 10:58:22 PM (3524 views)
Re: Hey, Deborah! - Deborah Manion/VA
6/3/2005 8:47:26 AM (3421 views)

Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 6:48:39 PM (2723 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 7:04:05 PM (3764 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 7:23:36 PM (3809 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - David Bloys/TX
6/1/2005 8:12:36 PM (3605 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Jay Duncan/MO
6/2/2005 8:35:02 AM (3548 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 8:39:50 PM (3585 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 9:14:57 PM (3785 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2005 9:27:37 PM (3906 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:45:22 PM (3646 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Robert Franco/OH
6/2/2005 9:54:17 AM (3429 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/3/2005 1:42:44 PM (3712 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Michaela Urban/OH
6/3/2005 4:05:54 PM (3676 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:23:32 PM (3308 views)
Re: Broaching a Delicate Subject` - Deborah Manion/VA
6/6/2005 7:09:38 AM (3293 views)

Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 12:52:00 PM (3670 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:00:52 PM (3279 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/1/2005 6:33:15 PM (3240 views)
Re: Conference Weekend Almost Here - Jay Duncan/MO
6/1/2005 6:37:02 PM (3225 views)


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NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:39:37 AM (2944 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Robb Grandon/OH
6/2/2005 9:24:07 AM (3403 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - Susie/OH
6/4/2005 2:25:40 PM (3549 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:35:31 PM (3323 views)
Re: NON-PAYING CLIENT - Docutech Information Services, Inc. - Columbus, Ohio - MARC DAVIS/NY
6/22/2005 9:05:44 AM (3259 views)

6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/1/2005 12:03:01 AM (2564 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 5:48:02 PM (3403 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Robert Franco/OH
6/13/2005 5:52:16 PM (3382 views)
Re: 6/14 - 6/15 Cleveland, Ohio National Settlement Services Summit - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/13/2005 6:02:59 PM (3314 views)

Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/31/2005 11:42:41 AM (2796 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2005 1:45:06 PM (3464 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 2:46:31 PM (3660 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Kim Haase/MT
5/31/2005 3:05:27 PM (3665 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Donna Grady/NC
6/1/2005 7:50:07 AM (3293 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/1/2005 11:34:09 AM (3417 views)
Re: Hot Topic - Maiden Name - Title Searches - george Hubka/MI
6/5/2005 11:45:29 PM (3098 views)

Get Certified!!! - Natl Assoc of Land Title Examiners and Abstractors/MO
5/31/2005 11:20:26 AM (4001 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Douglas Gallant/OH
5/31/2005 7:42:49 PM (3423 views)
Re: Get Certified!!! - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:49:35 PM (3347 views)

re:informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:21:26 AM (1974 views)

IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:33:12 AM (2430 views)
Re: IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM, THANK A "GRUNT" - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 7:39:07 PM (3216 views)

Remember this Memorial Day - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:07:09 PM (2063 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Francine Miller/NY
5/27/2005 4:19:31 PM (3293 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:43:59 PM (3386 views)
Re: Remember this Memorial Day - Kim Haase/MT
5/29/2005 11:26:43 AM (3149 views)

Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/27/2005 1:20:33 PM (2237 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/27/2005 2:30:48 PM (3410 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 2:51:26 PM (3506 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Adrienne Arsenault/NH
5/27/2005 9:38:52 PM (3428 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 11:20:25 PM (3423 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/28/2005 10:43:18 AM (3293 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/28/2005 9:12:21 PM (3267 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/28/2005 10:19:51 PM (3402 views)

I will first remark, Jason, that my company does not engage in the practices described in this thread.  They appear to be the act of "fee splitting" where one company is receiving partial fees for services not performed by the company.  This is specifically prohibited by RESPA

In Illinois, there are a number of class action lawsuits pertaining to overcharging for recording fees, courier fees, etc.  The title companies are paying.  Not all allegations are necessarily RESPA related, but also charges of fraud, undo enrichment and whatever else the plaintiff attorneys can come up with.  If you are doing business in Illinois, charge for work not performed at your peril.

There are some instances, however, where some of the fees may be warranted.  The title search and title exam are charged for, whether or not they are listed on the HUD as a separate line item.  If they are not, then they are rolled into the title premium or the closing fee with other overhead costs.

A lender may actually request that you separate the fees because certain fees (i.e. the closing fee) affect the APR and the lender wishes to keep the APR low.  Thus the title company lowers the APR affecting closing fee by the same amount of the new title exam or title search fee.

So, I think that you need to look at the whole picture before drawing conclusions on some of the charges that you see.  The overall price may be the same but there is actually more disclosure in the hypothetical I described above.

However, the examples from Jason and Shannon appear to me to be straight forward RESPA violations.  As to the legality aside from RESPA, I prefer to wait for comment by Mr. Ahern or other attorneys who are inclined to donate their time and legal knowledge.  My disclaimer is below.

This posting was prepared by a person who is not an attorney and who does not intend for this posting to be construed in any way as legal advice or the practice of law.  Any person or entity who misconstrues this posting as legal advice or unauthorized practice of law should ignore the entire post.

The above disclaimer was prepared by a person who is not an attorney, does not play one on TV, and is not related to one.  The entire disclaimer should be ignored, along with its preceding post/message, by everyone.

The above disclaimer is not meant in any way to make light of the legal profession or to injure any feelings.  It was prepared by a regular person, who wishes no harm to any who visit this forum, in a lighthearted spirit.  Please disregard this entire mess.

To echo some previous posts, God Bless Our Troops!  Have a great Memorial Day weekend!

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Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/29/2005 9:02:16 AM (3350 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/29/2005 10:37:13 PM (3312 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 5:58:41 AM (3231 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 12:25:31 PM (3241 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2005 9:32:44 AM (3228 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
5/30/2005 1:54:46 PM (3163 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/30/2005 5:03:09 PM (3152 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2005 6:21:13 PM (3265 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 4:49:02 PM (3501 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 7:46:49 PM (3390 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
5/31/2005 10:13:06 PM (3475 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/31/2005 11:23:55 PM (3204 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/31/2005 11:42:51 PM (3202 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Patrick Scott/IL
6/1/2005 10:05:56 AM (3283 views)
Re: Asking for Your Opinion on Title Companies Charging "Service" Fees - Jason Sheppard/PA
5/29/2005 11:30:43 AM (3443 views)

Frontier Counties - David Bloys/TX
5/27/2005 11:22:17 AM (2768 views)

Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 1:14:32 AM (2237 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 8:08:43 AM (3487 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 9:41:31 AM (3398 views)
Re: Informal poll - Loretta Reed/MD
5/27/2005 11:26:01 AM (3400 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:38:11 PM (3419 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robert Franco/OH
5/27/2005 10:28:13 AM (3523 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kim Haase/MT
5/27/2005 12:31:28 PM (3480 views)
Re: Informal poll - Shannon Blatt/VA
5/27/2005 2:52:14 PM (3475 views)
Re: Informal poll - Kurt deVries/FL
5/27/2005 4:05:31 PM (3411 views)
Re: Informal poll - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/27/2005 4:17:53 PM (3469 views)
Re: Informal poll - Robb Grandon/OH
6/1/2005 8:49:17 AM (3225 views)
Re: Informal poll - Ellen Malloy/MO
5/27/2005 4:42:36 PM (3424 views)
Re: Informal poll - Michaela Urban/OH
5/27/2005 9:17:32 PM (3451 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jacqueline Costa/RI
5/27/2005 9:41:31 PM (3427 views)
Re: Informal poll - Christy Rathbun/CT
5/27/2005 10:09:20 PM (3369 views)
Re: Informal poll - Donna Grady/NC
5/27/2005 11:30:24 PM (3394 views)
Re: Informal poll - Jay Duncan/MO
5/28/2005 12:00:54 AM (3139 views)
Re: Informal poll - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/28/2005 3:25:58 AM (3147 views)
Re: Informal poll - Scott Perry/PA
5/28/2005 11:55:42 AM (3238 views)
Re: Informal poll - Helene/GA
5/29/2005 11:45:56 PM (3167 views)
Re: Informal poll - Judy Nisonger/CA
5/31/2005 10:58:00 AM (3106 views)
Re: Informal poll - Anne Gilbert/VT
5/30/2005 8:28:40 AM (3170 views)


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