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Nationwide Title Clearing - Danielle Nelson/WI
7/7/2005 10:27:44 AM (2772 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:47:25 PM (4171 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/7/2005 4:02:56 PM (3940 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - george Hubka/MI
7/7/2005 11:06:30 PM (3758 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/8/2005 8:18:14 AM (3741 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/15/2005 11:30:07 AM (3817 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/15/2005 12:41:55 PM (3790 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/16/2005 2:31:48 PM (3615 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/16/2005 11:02:26 PM (3655 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/19/2005 10:45:01 AM (3642 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/20/2005 4:35:33 PM (3822 views)

Abstractor Software... - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2005 5:03:56 PM (2109 views)

Texas Courthouses - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:06:43 PM (2134 views)

Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (3138 views)

Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2699 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (3739 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (3988 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (4041 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (3849 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (4107 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (3986 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (3888 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (3701 views)




reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2702 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (3896 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (3861 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (3794 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (3819 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (4130 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (3339 views)

Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/26/2005 11:23:26 PM (2774 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:20:06 AM (3948 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - Deborah Manion/VA
6/27/2005 9:39:35 AM (3872 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/27/2005 5:18:18 PM (3746 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 8:37:06 PM (3879 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - David Chisolm/MS
6/30/2005 5:12:56 PM (3876 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/30/2005 6:21:49 PM (3889 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
7/2/2005 12:17:02 AM (3917 views)

QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/26/2005 10:21:53 PM (2641 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 12:54:39 AM (3830 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Christy Rathbun/CT
6/27/2005 2:00:24 AM (3913 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2005 7:14:47 PM (4247 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
6/30/2005 10:01:20 PM (4111 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 1:11:29 PM (4220 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2005 3:33:03 PM (4013 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
7/2/2005 12:21:20 PM (4090 views)

Non-payment for services rendered - Serena Stout/VA
6/24/2005 12:08:53 PM (3000 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 1:39:21 PM (7698 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/24/2005 2:55:09 PM (4212 views)
Serena, is that you - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:57:51 PM (3964 views)

The worst invention ever! - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 9:32:21 AM (2858 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jay Duncan/MO
6/24/2005 9:44:30 AM (3973 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - David Nixon/MA
6/24/2005 12:08:29 PM (3931 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 9:49:59 AM (3933 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:55:26 PM (3848 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 4:48:38 PM (3857 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Kelly Chamblee/OH
6/27/2005 5:37:53 PM (3652 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Norean/GA
7/1/2005 6:19:22 PM (3789 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:04:32 PM (4140 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:41:59 AM (3676 views)

Sorry.... - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/23/2005 5:33:58 PM (2135 views)

TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 10:36:17 AM (3884 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:50:43 AM (3923 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 12:15:19 PM (4018 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 12:58:16 PM (3967 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 1:50:32 PM (6824 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 1:55:43 PM (6561 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 2:02:08 PM (3978 views)
THANK YOU TO LISA & DAVID - Kim Haase/MT
6/24/2005 3:27:52 AM (3886 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
6/27/2005 3:14:02 PM (3674 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/27/2005 6:46:02 PM (3745 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 8:01:17 AM (3719 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/28/2005 11:29:35 AM (3569 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/28/2005 3:04:43 PM (6514 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2005 3:22:23 PM (3628 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 11:40:25 PM (3647 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:23:17 AM (3731 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 11:17:46 PM (3963 views)

Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/22/2005 6:10:51 PM (2768 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 11:39:44 AM (3864 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/23/2005 1:55:44 PM (4032 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/23/2005 9:21:20 PM (3885 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 12:06:26 PM (3909 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 12:56:46 PM (3680 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 3:12:14 PM (3817 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 4:05:54 PM (3701 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2005 2:14:51 PM (3819 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 2:48:58 PM (3705 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 3:35:47 PM (3665 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/27/2005 5:37:43 PM (3698 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/26/2005 6:07:23 PM (3707 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
6/25/2005 11:59:33 PM (3647 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 7:49:42 AM (3551 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 9:29:36 AM (3710 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 1:02:56 PM (3751 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 4:01:20 PM (3687 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 4:38:20 PM (3620 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 3:03:57 PM (3627 views)

2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/21/2005 4:49:24 PM (2829 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Deborah Manion/VA
6/22/2005 3:04:55 PM (3696 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/22/2005 3:32:41 PM (3871 views)


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