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So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:49:46 PM (3558 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 4:11:52 PM (5228 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - David Bloys/TX
7/10/2005 10:48:55 PM (6145 views)

Nationwide Title Clearing - Danielle Nelson/WI
7/7/2005 10:27:44 AM (2689 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:47:25 PM (3777 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/7/2005 4:02:56 PM (3522 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - george Hubka/MI
7/7/2005 11:06:30 PM (3360 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/8/2005 8:18:14 AM (3352 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/15/2005 11:30:07 AM (3398 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/15/2005 12:41:55 PM (3373 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/16/2005 2:31:48 PM (3209 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/16/2005 11:02:26 PM (3240 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/19/2005 10:45:01 AM (3230 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/20/2005 4:35:33 PM (3451 views)

Abstractor Software... - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2005 5:03:56 PM (2013 views)

Texas Courthouses - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:06:43 PM (2054 views)

Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (3027 views)




Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2596 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (3308 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (3508 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (3590 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (3407 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (3670 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (3550 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (3385 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (3319 views)

reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2584 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (3338 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (3319 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (3251 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (3272 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (3559 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (3165 views)

Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/26/2005 11:23:26 PM (2597 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:20:06 AM (3391 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - Deborah Manion/VA
6/27/2005 9:39:35 AM (3354 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/27/2005 5:18:18 PM (3215 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 8:37:06 PM (3307 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - David Chisolm/MS
6/30/2005 5:12:56 PM (3355 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/30/2005 6:21:49 PM (3381 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
7/2/2005 12:17:02 AM (3410 views)

QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/26/2005 10:21:53 PM (2440 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 12:54:39 AM (3357 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Christy Rathbun/CT
6/27/2005 2:00:24 AM (3400 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2005 7:14:47 PM (3758 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
6/30/2005 10:01:20 PM (3624 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 1:11:29 PM (3716 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2005 3:33:03 PM (3530 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
7/2/2005 12:21:20 PM (3597 views)

Non-payment for services rendered - Serena Stout/VA
6/24/2005 12:08:53 PM (2873 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 1:39:21 PM (7167 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/24/2005 2:55:09 PM (3751 views)
Serena, is that you - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:57:51 PM (3491 views)

The worst invention ever! - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 9:32:21 AM (2746 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jay Duncan/MO
6/24/2005 9:44:30 AM (3510 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - David Nixon/MA
6/24/2005 12:08:29 PM (3488 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 9:49:59 AM (3487 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:55:26 PM (3389 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 4:48:38 PM (3413 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Kelly Chamblee/OH
6/27/2005 5:37:53 PM (3235 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Norean/GA
7/1/2005 6:19:22 PM (3330 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:04:32 PM (3732 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:41:59 AM (3265 views)

Sorry.... - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/23/2005 5:33:58 PM (2008 views)

TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 10:36:17 AM (3740 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:50:43 AM (3494 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 12:15:19 PM (3598 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 12:58:16 PM (3505 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 1:50:32 PM (6363 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 1:55:43 PM (6116 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 2:02:08 PM (3537 views)
THANK YOU TO LISA & DAVID - Kim Haase/MT
6/24/2005 3:27:52 AM (3453 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
6/27/2005 3:14:02 PM (3244 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/27/2005 6:46:02 PM (3287 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 8:01:17 AM (3262 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/28/2005 11:29:35 AM (3166 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/28/2005 3:04:43 PM (6069 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2005 3:22:23 PM (3199 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 11:40:25 PM (3247 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:23:17 AM (3313 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 11:17:46 PM (3554 views)

Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/22/2005 6:10:51 PM (2624 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 11:39:44 AM (3443 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/23/2005 1:55:44 PM (3556 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/23/2005 9:21:20 PM (3445 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 12:06:26 PM (3448 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 12:56:46 PM (3193 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 3:12:14 PM (3372 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 4:05:54 PM (3263 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2005 2:14:51 PM (3364 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 2:48:58 PM (3286 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 3:35:47 PM (3233 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/27/2005 5:37:43 PM (3296 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/26/2005 6:07:23 PM (3256 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
6/25/2005 11:59:33 PM (3223 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 7:49:42 AM (3135 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 9:29:36 AM (3257 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 1:02:56 PM (3304 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 4:01:20 PM (3215 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 4:38:20 PM (3192 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 3:03:57 PM (3202 views)


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