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Texas Courthouses - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:06:43 PM (2019 views)

Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (2999 views)

Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2563 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (3174 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (3249 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (3360 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (3277 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (3560 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (3419 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (3256 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (3167 views)

reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2554 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (3227 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (3208 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (3125 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (3160 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (3442 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (3133 views)




Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/26/2005 11:23:26 PM (2554 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:20:06 AM (3285 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - Deborah Manion/VA
6/27/2005 9:39:35 AM (3224 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/27/2005 5:18:18 PM (3098 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 8:37:06 PM (3182 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - David Chisolm/MS
6/30/2005 5:12:56 PM (3238 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/30/2005 6:21:49 PM (3256 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
7/2/2005 12:17:02 AM (3289 views)

QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/26/2005 10:21:53 PM (2403 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 12:54:39 AM (3245 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Christy Rathbun/CT
6/27/2005 2:00:24 AM (3261 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2005 7:14:47 PM (3628 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
6/30/2005 10:01:20 PM (3489 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 1:11:29 PM (3581 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2005 3:33:03 PM (3404 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
7/2/2005 12:21:20 PM (3460 views)

Non-payment for services rendered - Serena Stout/VA
6/24/2005 12:08:53 PM (2842 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 1:39:21 PM (7036 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/24/2005 2:55:09 PM (3639 views)
Serena, is that you - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:57:51 PM (3358 views)

The worst invention ever! - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 9:32:21 AM (2708 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jay Duncan/MO
6/24/2005 9:44:30 AM (3388 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - David Nixon/MA
6/24/2005 12:08:29 PM (3368 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 9:49:59 AM (3391 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:55:26 PM (3278 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 4:48:38 PM (3303 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Kelly Chamblee/OH
6/27/2005 5:37:53 PM (3131 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Norean/GA
7/1/2005 6:19:22 PM (3207 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:04:32 PM (3601 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:41:59 AM (3117 views)

Sorry.... - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/23/2005 5:33:58 PM (1986 views)

TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 10:36:17 AM (3715 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:50:43 AM (3394 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 12:15:19 PM (3484 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 12:58:16 PM (3391 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 1:50:32 PM (6254 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 1:55:43 PM (6001 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 2:02:08 PM (3424 views)
THANK YOU TO LISA & DAVID - Kim Haase/MT
6/24/2005 3:27:52 AM (3346 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
6/27/2005 3:14:02 PM (3130 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/27/2005 6:46:02 PM (3188 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 8:01:17 AM (3158 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/28/2005 11:29:35 AM (3055 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/28/2005 3:04:43 PM (5952 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2005 3:22:23 PM (3089 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 11:40:25 PM (3141 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:23:17 AM (3203 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 11:17:46 PM (3306 views)

Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/22/2005 6:10:51 PM (2591 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 11:39:44 AM (3328 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/23/2005 1:55:44 PM (3457 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/23/2005 9:21:20 PM (3324 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 12:06:26 PM (3334 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 12:56:46 PM (3083 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 3:12:14 PM (3245 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 4:05:54 PM (3138 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2005 2:14:51 PM (3237 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 2:48:58 PM (3181 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 3:35:47 PM (3120 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/27/2005 5:37:43 PM (3200 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/26/2005 6:07:23 PM (3128 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
6/25/2005 11:59:33 PM (3115 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 7:49:42 AM (3029 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 9:29:36 AM (3125 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 1:02:56 PM (3190 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 4:01:20 PM (3093 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 4:38:20 PM (3095 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 3:03:57 PM (3083 views)

2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/21/2005 4:49:24 PM (2675 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Deborah Manion/VA
6/22/2005 3:04:55 PM (3102 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/22/2005 3:32:41 PM (3239 views)

VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Michael Frank/TX
6/20/2005 7:21:18 PM (2724 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Michael Frank/TX
6/21/2005 1:55:00 PM (3278 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Robert Franco/OH
6/21/2005 2:17:29 PM (3398 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/21/2005 2:27:22 PM (3327 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/22/2005 5:55:03 PM (3250 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:52:47 AM (3293 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
7/6/2005 6:14:49 PM (3039 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - J Nisonger/CA
7/8/2005 3:58:36 AM (3185 views)

Thanks for the E & O info - Kurt deVries/FL
6/20/2005 3:22:07 PM (2515 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/20/2005 11:16:19 PM (2972 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Donna Grady/NC
7/7/2005 12:39:30 AM (2975 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2005 4:47:26 PM (3004 views)


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