Register
Log In
Forget your Password?

Home
Directory
Bulletins
Forums
Blogs
Articles
Links
Classifieds
About Us
Contact Us
Advertise
FAQ
Privacy Policy


Discussion
<< get older messagesget newer messages >>
to post a message: login - or - register | search messages | hide all replies



Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (2902 views)

Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2427 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (2796 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (2861 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (2968 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (2894 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (3199 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (3041 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

to post a reply: login - or - register


Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (2857 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (2849 views)

reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2405 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (2827 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (2808 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (2712 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (2731 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (3003 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (2985 views)

Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/26/2005 11:23:26 PM (2436 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:20:06 AM (2902 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - Deborah Manion/VA
6/27/2005 9:39:35 AM (2877 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/27/2005 5:18:18 PM (2738 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 8:37:06 PM (2829 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - David Chisolm/MS
6/30/2005 5:12:56 PM (2888 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
6/30/2005 6:21:49 PM (2912 views)
Re: Mr Davis and his claims - James "Lin" Toney/MS
7/2/2005 12:17:02 AM (2937 views)


Real Title Services


QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/26/2005 10:21:53 PM (2280 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 12:54:39 AM (2919 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Christy Rathbun/CT
6/27/2005 2:00:24 AM (2886 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2005 7:14:47 PM (3254 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
6/30/2005 10:01:20 PM (3145 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 1:11:29 PM (3244 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Robert Franco/OH
7/1/2005 3:33:03 PM (3059 views)
Re: QUESTION FOR TECHIES - Scott Perry/PA
7/2/2005 12:21:20 PM (3098 views)

Non-payment for services rendered - Serena Stout/VA
6/24/2005 12:08:53 PM (2734 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 1:39:21 PM (6644 views)
Re: Non-payment for services rendered - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/24/2005 2:55:09 PM (3287 views)
Serena, is that you - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:57:51 PM (3050 views)

The worst invention ever! - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 9:32:21 AM (2599 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jay Duncan/MO
6/24/2005 9:44:30 AM (3071 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - David Nixon/MA
6/24/2005 12:08:29 PM (3011 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 9:49:59 AM (3058 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 3:55:26 PM (2948 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/24/2005 4:48:38 PM (2957 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Kelly Chamblee/OH
6/27/2005 5:37:53 PM (2822 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Norean/GA
7/1/2005 6:19:22 PM (2882 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:04:32 PM (3267 views)
Re: The worst invention ever! - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:41:59 AM (2759 views)

Sorry.... - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/23/2005 5:33:58 PM (1897 views)

TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 10:36:17 AM (3577 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:50:43 AM (3049 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 12:15:19 PM (3122 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 12:58:16 PM (3018 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 1:50:32 PM (5842 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 1:55:43 PM (5586 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/23/2005 2:02:08 PM (3037 views)
THANK YOU TO LISA & DAVID - Kim Haase/MT
6/24/2005 3:27:52 AM (3003 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Jonathan Figliuolo/NY
6/27/2005 3:14:02 PM (2741 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/27/2005 6:46:02 PM (2823 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 8:01:17 AM (2816 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/28/2005 11:29:35 AM (2672 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - David Bloys/TX
6/28/2005 3:04:43 PM (5529 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2005 3:22:23 PM (2711 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2005 11:40:25 PM (2736 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:23:17 AM (2760 views)
Re: TO ALL LENDING INSTITUTIONS ETC - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 11:17:46 PM (2866 views)

Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/22/2005 6:10:51 PM (2468 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/23/2005 11:39:44 AM (2979 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/23/2005 1:55:44 PM (3122 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Ellen Malloy/MO
6/23/2005 9:21:20 PM (3002 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 12:06:26 PM (2977 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/24/2005 12:56:46 PM (2751 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/24/2005 3:12:14 PM (2902 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Shannon Blatt/VA
6/24/2005 4:05:54 PM (2789 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/25/2005 2:14:51 PM (2919 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 2:48:58 PM (2819 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Robert Franco/OH
6/27/2005 3:35:47 PM (2758 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/27/2005 5:37:43 PM (2847 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Douglas Gallant/OH
6/26/2005 6:07:23 PM (2786 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Mark Russomanno/NJ
6/25/2005 11:59:33 PM (2749 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 7:49:42 AM (2691 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 9:29:36 AM (2786 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 1:02:56 PM (2846 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - David Bloys/TX
6/26/2005 4:01:20 PM (2770 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/26/2005 4:38:20 PM (2770 views)
Re: Wouldn't Uniformity Be Cool? - Patrick Scott/IL
6/27/2005 3:03:57 PM (2712 views)

2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/21/2005 4:49:24 PM (2554 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Deborah Manion/VA
6/22/2005 3:04:55 PM (2707 views)
Re: 2005 Independent Abstractor Report - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
6/22/2005 3:32:41 PM (2871 views)

VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Michael Frank/TX
6/20/2005 7:21:18 PM (2592 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Michael Frank/TX
6/21/2005 1:55:00 PM (2881 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Robert Franco/OH
6/21/2005 2:17:29 PM (3069 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/21/2005 2:27:22 PM (2982 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Jason Sheppard/PA
6/22/2005 5:55:03 PM (2875 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - Kim Haase/MT
6/23/2005 11:52:47 AM (2923 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
7/6/2005 6:14:49 PM (2684 views)
Re: VENDOR MANAGERS SPEAK UP - J Nisonger/CA
7/8/2005 3:58:36 AM (2844 views)

Thanks for the E & O info - Kurt deVries/FL
6/20/2005 3:22:07 PM (2384 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/20/2005 11:16:19 PM (2658 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Donna Grady/NC
7/7/2005 12:39:30 AM (2609 views)
Re: Thanks for the E & O info - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/7/2005 4:47:26 PM (2651 views)

Closing Company out of business? - Jen McClosky/OH
6/20/2005 1:57:34 PM (2336 views)
Re: Closing Company out of business? - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/20/2005 2:42:53 PM (2752 views)


<< get older messagesget newer messages >>

DISCLAIMER: These Message Forums are un-moderated and Source of Title does not endorse the content of any of the posts. Source of Title discourages libelous comments and you, as the sole creator of the content, take full responsibility for your remarks.
Directory

The Source of Title Business directory has 8961 listed companies.

Leave feedback on a company:
SOT ID #:  learn more...
DRN Title Search
Blogs

Read other users' blogs-- or start your own!

Most Recent Blog Posts:

AI Powered Title Plant
Michael Gigliotti's Blog
2025/10/23
0 comments

New to Property Shielding? Here’s Your Guide!
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/10/22
0 comments

What Is Flood Insurance?
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/10/21
0 comments

Articles

Source of Title articles help to keep you informed on the state of the title industry.

NAR Existing-Home Sales Report Shows 1.5% Increase in September
Existing-home sales increased by 1.5% month-over-month in September, according to the National Association of REALTORS&#...
WFG National Title and Palm Agent Partner to Elevate the Customer Experience and Accelerate Continued Growth and Success
“The future of title is human connection powered by technology,” said Ashley Duran, National Director of Sal...
Mortgage Applications Decreased in Latest MBA Weekly Survey
“The lowest mortgage rates in a month spurred an increase in refinance activity, including another pickup in ARM a...
NAR Statement on Zillow's App for ChatGPT
"Implementing and integrating new technologies, like artificial intelligence (A.I.), into the home-buying and selling pr...
MBA Forecast: Total Single-Family Mortgage Originations to Increase 8 percent to $2.2 Trillion in 2026
The Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) today announced at its 2025 Annual Convention and Expo that total single-family m...

Search Articles:
browse...

Classifieds

Buy, sell, or trade! Browse the ads or post your own!

© 2020, Source of Title.