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Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2415 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (3311 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (3305 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2553 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (3506 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (4871 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (3446 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (3507 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (3489 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (3529 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (3317 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (3476 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 6:24:02 AM (3485 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (3355 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 9:37:39 AM (3263 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:44:46 PM (3281 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (3313 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (4628 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (3493 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/17/2005 9:57:47 AM (4497 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (4658 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (3483 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (3427 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (3431 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (3333 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (3239 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (3182 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (3217 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (3229 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (3379 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (3247 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (3282 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (3305 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2407 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (3269 views)

Police Mortgage? - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:17:13 AM (2053 views)

Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:09:01 AM (2398 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 1:53:08 PM (3116 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/12/2005 2:03:22 PM (3081 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference...Here is where we are staying - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 5:30:36 PM (3159 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/15/2005 12:41:07 PM (2993 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:01:35 PM (3126 views)




New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/11/2005 5:59:50 PM (2400 views)
Re: New Interest - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 11:40:19 PM (3273 views)
Re: New Interest - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:23:56 AM (3352 views)
Re: New Interest - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 9:33:38 AM (3511 views)
Re: New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/12/2005 11:12:12 AM (3089 views)

HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 5:07:11 PM (2511 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2005 5:43:23 PM (3365 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 8:34:25 PM (3362 views)

Policy Manual - Wendi See/SC
8/10/2005 1:05:21 PM (2105 views)

looking to expand - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:16:39 AM (2448 views)
Re: looking to expand - Markita Meeks/MI
8/10/2005 12:19:28 PM (3433 views)
Re: looking to expand - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 4:57:14 PM (3753 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/10/2005 11:39:13 PM (3507 views)
Re: looking to expand - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 12:09:12 PM (3367 views)
Re: looking to expand - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 10:01:28 AM (3452 views)
Re: looking to expand - Donna Grady/NC
8/24/2005 12:22:12 AM (3364 views)

Thoughts?? - Michaela Urban/OH
8/10/2005 12:51:57 AM (2589 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/10/2005 8:42:10 AM (3551 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - David Bloys/TX
8/10/2005 9:37:34 AM (5397 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/10/2005 4:52:39 PM (3594 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/10/2005 8:04:18 PM (3423 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Scott Perry/PA
8/10/2005 9:10:40 PM (3410 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Donna Grady/NC
8/11/2005 12:08:08 AM (3343 views)
Re: Thoughts?? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 9:03:06 AM (3393 views)

Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 11:54:32 AM (2665 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 12:23:50 PM (3813 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:43:04 PM (3874 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 1:07:16 PM (3528 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Steve Schneider/IN
8/9/2005 8:29:03 PM (3898 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 12:39:41 PM (3837 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 12:46:12 PM (3769 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/9/2005 6:52:15 PM (3606 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 1:48:13 PM (3559 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 2:27:30 PM (3535 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 2:33:43 PM (3572 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 3:04:09 PM (3902 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 3:23:48 PM (3881 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/9/2005 4:29:09 PM (3644 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 6:20:35 PM (3634 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 7:22:33 PM (3628 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 7:47:07 PM (4015 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/9/2005 8:44:54 PM (3687 views)
Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:10:15 PM (3701 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Robert Franco/OH
8/9/2005 9:46:45 PM (3879 views)
Re: Jireh Business Info Solutions Factoid: - Scott Perry/PA
8/9/2005 9:59:09 PM (3799 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Sandra Morton/KS
8/9/2005 8:34:35 PM (3695 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/10/2005 1:53:44 AM (3716 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Douglas Gallant/OH
8/10/2005 5:11:59 PM (3526 views)
Re: Invoices shorted - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:16:20 AM (3445 views)

Muchas Gracias, Roberto! - Scott Perry/PA
8/8/2005 9:57:19 PM (2127 views)

BANNED FROM SOT - VIVIAN SLYKER/OH
8/8/2005 4:01:14 PM (2292 views)

HELOCS - Gladys Brown/NC
8/8/2005 3:43:56 PM (2462 views)
Re: HELOCS - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/8/2005 5:06:03 PM (3506 views)
Re: HELOCS - Victoria Moate/NJ
8/9/2005 12:58:27 AM (3606 views)
Re: HELOCS - Gladys Brown/NC
8/10/2005 10:05:51 AM (3544 views)
Re: HELOCS - Jeanne Mendes/CA
8/30/2005 5:28:37 AM (3349 views)

trouble with Title Search USA? - Susan Raynard/MA
8/8/2005 12:50:11 AM (2622 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Francis Gottron/OH
8/8/2005 1:53:42 PM (3557 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Marilyn Parker/IL
8/19/2005 6:27:42 PM (3517 views)
Re: trouble with Title Search USA? - Becky Kale/IL
9/15/2005 5:42:37 PM (3155 views)


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