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SOT Monthly Spotlight Feature - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/30/2005 1:19:09 PM (2027 views)

Abstracting Software - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/30/2005 1:24:11 AM (2768 views)
Re: Abstracting Software - Kurt deVries/FL
8/30/2005 9:42:43 AM (3643 views)
Re: Abstracting Software - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2005 9:49:24 AM (3532 views)
Re: Abstracting Software - Jay Duncan/MO
8/30/2005 12:32:40 PM (4728 views)
Re: Abstracting Software - Kurt deVries/FL
8/30/2005 12:43:17 PM (3678 views)
Re: Abstracting Software - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/30/2005 7:13:06 PM (3608 views)

looking for Abstract textbook reviewers - Jeanne Johnson/MN
8/29/2005 11:22:34 AM (2670 views)
Re: looking for Abstract textbook reviewers - Jay Duncan/MO
8/29/2005 1:59:09 PM (3516 views)
Re: looking for Abstract textbook reviewers - Jeanne Johnson/MN
9/6/2005 5:08:30 PM (4496 views)

UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC - Ted Lannon/MA
8/29/2005 11:21:08 AM (3963 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/29/2005 12:17:28 PM (3713 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC - Anne Gilbert/VT
9/1/2005 9:52:29 PM (3689 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC - Scott Perry/PA
9/2/2005 7:26:56 AM (3598 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC ***UPDATE*** - Scott Perry/PA
9/2/2005 7:38:23 AM (3703 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC ***UPDATE*** - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/2/2005 8:44:54 AM (3634 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC ***UPDATE*** - Scott Perry/PA
9/6/2005 9:04:11 PM (3561 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC ***UPDATE*** - Ted Lannon/MA
9/6/2005 4:41:37 PM (3738 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC ***UPDATE*** - Gail Frey/CT
9/19/2005 11:14:06 PM (3500 views)
Re: UNITED DOCUMENT SERVICES INC - Cherie Smurthwaite/CA
10/29/2005 6:23:59 PM (3486 views)

Source of Title's new look... - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2005 10:10:33 AM (2640 views)
Re: Source of Title's new look... - Dave Pell/FL
8/27/2005 11:15:07 AM (3633 views)
Re: Source of Title's new look... - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2005 11:56:22 AM (3550 views)
But Where Are The Factoids?! - Scott Perry/PA
8/27/2005 12:12:32 PM (3601 views)
Re: But Where Are The Factoids?! - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2005 2:07:42 PM (3630 views)
Re: Source of Title's new look... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/29/2005 7:33:17 AM (3454 views)
Re: Source of Title's new look... - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/29/2005 8:00:03 PM (3636 views)




Title Direct non-payment - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/26/2005 6:25:10 PM (2622 views)
Re: Title Direct non-payment - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/31/2005 3:10:47 PM (3314 views)
Re: Title Direct non-payment - Ted Lannon/MA
9/6/2005 4:55:03 PM (3694 views)
Re: Title Direct non-payment - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/6/2005 6:17:04 PM (3631 views)
Re: Title Direct non-payment - Lois Morgan/AZ
9/6/2005 10:13:33 AM (3449 views)
Re: Title Direct non-payment - Jacqueline Costa/RI
9/6/2005 3:24:46 PM (3730 views)

Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - David Kossman/MO
8/25/2005 3:16:53 PM (2892 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Robert Franco/OH
8/25/2005 4:22:52 PM (3898 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - David Kossman/MO
8/25/2005 4:39:48 PM (3874 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Robert Franco/OH
8/25/2005 5:23:39 PM (3657 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/25/2005 6:46:54 PM (3677 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/7/2005 3:46:42 AM (3410 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Robert Franco/OH
10/7/2005 12:44:27 PM (3476 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Patrick Scott/IL
8/25/2005 7:05:29 PM (3612 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/25/2005 7:32:06 PM (3695 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/25/2005 9:33:34 PM (3512 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/26/2005 9:02:34 AM (3606 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/26/2005 11:51:44 AM (3668 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/26/2005 2:28:31 PM (3543 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Scott Perry/PA
8/26/2005 8:05:28 PM (3592 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Jay Duncan/MO
8/28/2005 6:57:05 PM (3574 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Scott Perry/PA
8/28/2005 7:43:29 PM (3529 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Jay Duncan/MO
8/29/2005 7:31:14 AM (3456 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - James "Lin" Toney/MS
8/26/2005 10:48:04 PM (3651 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Donna Grady/NC
8/27/2005 7:50:27 PM (3621 views)
Re: Mortgage over 30 years old, but no release - Scott Perry/PA
8/27/2005 8:08:16 PM (3532 views)

Back to school - monica froese/ME
8/23/2005 4:16:43 PM (2562 views)
Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 4:39:58 PM (3570 views)
Re: Back to school - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/23/2005 6:04:12 PM (3606 views)
Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
8/24/2005 8:32:11 AM (3423 views)
Re: Back to school - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/24/2005 9:37:44 AM (3431 views)
Re: Back to school - Wendi See/SC
8/24/2005 9:32:33 PM (3561 views)
Re: Back to school - James "Lin" Toney/MS
8/24/2005 10:04:10 PM (3439 views)
Re: Back to school - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/25/2005 7:43:34 AM (3489 views)
Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
8/25/2005 10:01:26 AM (3434 views)
Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
8/25/2005 9:54:47 AM (3297 views)
Re: Back to school - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/25/2005 9:38:24 PM (3402 views)
Re: Back to school - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/26/2005 5:51:16 PM (3360 views)

Liability Disclaimer - Danielle Nelson/WI
8/23/2005 2:01:59 PM (2654 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 4:14:02 PM (3773 views)

I have mixed opinions on these types of disclaimers.  First, I am not sure they will hold up in all situations or in all jurisdictions. 

Second, I haven't yet decided for myself if it is entirely ethical to attempt to disclaim professional liability.  A part of our job is to provide reliable information.  If we fail to do so, and our customer incurs a financial loss, shouldn't we be responsible for it?

On the other hand - I don't feel the fees in our field compensate us for the amount of liability we incur.  I find it shocking that an abstractor would be expected to be held liable for hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential liability for a $45 fee.

Although title insurance covers against loss from other causes, it has been reported that most of the claims are for searching error.  To me this indicates that the liability for searching error should be worth more than half of the title insurance premium.  This theory seems to be supported by the agency agreements that most title agents have with their underwriters.  Those agreements hold the agent responsible for searching error and a typical split of the premium gives 70% to 85% to the agent.

The problem is that many agents are passing the liability along to their abstractors by requiring them to carry E&O insurance, but they aren't providing any additional compensation.  This is what makes it so profitable to outsource title work to independent abstractors.

While I believe that there are many cases where the underwriter does not attempt to collect a loss from an agent, and likewise, many agents do not attempt to collect losses from their abstractors - I believe it is becoming more common to do so.

E&O insurers are encouraging agents to make sure that their abstractors carry E&O insurance for just this reason.  The fact that it is possible to collect hundreds of thousands of dollars from the abstractor in return for a search fee of $45 is frightening.

So, I am not sure how I feel about disclaimers.  I have a feeling that clients would not like to see these disclaimers and I think it could affect business.  From the case in PA,
PA Court Upholds Liability Limitation in Title Abstract, it is clear that the advice to agents is to object to them.  However, the potential loss from a claim certainly makes it an appealing option for the abstractors.

Personally, I do not use disclaimers on our searches, however, the thought has crossed my mind.  I think we should either be able to charge appropriately for the liability we incur or we should not be expected to incur the liability. 

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/23/2005 5:18:18 PM (3635 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - David Bloys/TX
8/23/2005 5:31:15 PM (3642 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - William Pattison /CA
3/18/2008 5:13:07 PM (3126 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
9/1/2005 1:14:08 PM (3410 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/1/2005 1:52:10 PM (3426 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
9/1/2005 10:38:48 PM (3448 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/2/2005 6:11:19 AM (3521 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Scott Perry/PA
8/23/2005 5:42:49 PM (3620 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/23/2005 6:45:13 PM (3528 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/26/2005 6:13:07 PM (4586 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/27/2005 10:24:42 AM (3562 views)

The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Matt Papsch/MD
8/22/2005 5:41:51 PM (2698 views)
Re: The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/22/2005 11:00:41 PM (3393 views)
Re: The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 11:16:51 AM (3389 views)

Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/19/2005 8:45:16 PM (2607 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Scott Perry/PA
8/20/2005 10:24:55 AM (3557 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/20/2005 11:13:37 AM (4962 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/20/2005 1:08:34 PM (3617 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Scott Perry/PA
8/20/2005 2:58:57 PM (3475 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/21/2005 8:39:17 PM (3684 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - ginger galloway/OH
8/22/2005 9:17:07 AM (3395 views)

NALTEA committees... - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 12:25:11 PM (1973 views)

thanks anyway - Kim Haase/MT
8/18/2005 12:18:26 PM (2013 views)

VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 9:28:38 AM (2676 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 9:46:42 AM (3710 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 10:04:00 AM (3654 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 10:56:28 AM (3626 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 11:22:10 AM (3561 views)
Re: VIEWS - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/18/2005 1:48:09 PM (3412 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 2:37:02 PM (3600 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 4:07:10 PM (3435 views)
Re: VIEWS - Patrick Scott/IL
8/18/2005 11:03:59 PM (3455 views)

You asked for it... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/17/2005 5:05:10 PM (2074 views)


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