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Liability Disclaimer - Danielle Nelson/WI
8/23/2005 2:01:59 PM (2596 views)
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
9/1/2005 1:14:08 PM (3225 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/1/2005 1:52:10 PM (3226 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
9/1/2005 10:38:48 PM (3257 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/2/2005 6:11:19 AM (3318 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Scott Perry/PA
8/23/2005 5:42:49 PM (3409 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/23/2005 6:45:13 PM (3335 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Anne Gilbert/VT
8/26/2005 6:13:07 PM (4364 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/27/2005 10:24:42 AM (3342 views)

The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Matt Papsch/MD
8/22/2005 5:41:51 PM (2649 views)
Re: The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Loretta Reed/MD
8/22/2005 11:00:41 PM (3226 views)
Re: The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 11:16:51 AM (3224 views)

Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/19/2005 8:45:16 PM (2558 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Scott Perry/PA
8/20/2005 10:24:55 AM (3383 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/20/2005 11:13:37 AM (4771 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/20/2005 1:08:34 PM (3355 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Scott Perry/PA
8/20/2005 2:58:57 PM (3302 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/21/2005 8:39:17 PM (3492 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - ginger galloway/OH
8/22/2005 9:17:07 AM (3220 views)

NALTEA committees... - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 12:25:11 PM (1934 views)

thanks anyway - Kim Haase/MT
8/18/2005 12:18:26 PM (1964 views)




VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 9:28:38 AM (2618 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 9:46:42 AM (3509 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 10:04:00 AM (3467 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 10:56:28 AM (3437 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 11:22:10 AM (3404 views)
Re: VIEWS - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/18/2005 1:48:09 PM (3227 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 2:37:02 PM (3431 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 4:07:10 PM (3246 views)
Re: VIEWS - Patrick Scott/IL
8/18/2005 11:03:59 PM (3291 views)

You asked for it... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/17/2005 5:05:10 PM (2040 views)

fees - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/16/2005 7:53:23 PM (2734 views)
Re: fees - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/16/2005 9:49:18 PM (3493 views)
Re: fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 10:36:52 PM (3506 views)
Re: fees - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 11:16:36 PM (3521 views)
Re: fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
8/17/2005 9:44:08 AM (3419 views)
Re: fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2005 11:03:24 AM (3471 views)
Re: fees - Jill Kissell/IA
8/22/2005 8:17:56 AM (3426 views)

The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 1:51:13 PM (2812 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/16/2005 1:57:05 PM (3466 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/16/2005 4:59:38 PM (3574 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 6:12:40 PM (4894 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/17/2005 10:56:59 PM (3424 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/18/2005 11:03:46 AM (3508 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Mary Mitchel/NY
8/18/2005 12:49:48 PM (3434 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Denald McCarthy/MA
8/22/2005 10:48:48 AM (3312 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2005 11:29:18 AM (3337 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Donna Grady/NC
8/27/2005 8:02:31 PM (3267 views)

Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:56:01 AM (2789 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - monica froese/ME
8/16/2005 3:06:57 PM (3610 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 7:07:41 PM (3626 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 6:32:51 PM (3567 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 2:38:05 PM (3483 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 3:49:46 PM (3500 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/23/2005 7:11:59 PM (3434 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 9:05:17 PM (3499 views)

Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2005 9:42:28 PM (3466 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:51:42 PM (3485 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:58 PM (3456 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:16:04 PM (3520 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/16/2005 2:21:52 AM (3477 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2005 8:54:48 AM (3534 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:51:48 AM (3549 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 9:55:48 AM (3391 views)

County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 4:29:36 PM (2537 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:36:21 PM (3263 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2005 10:44:51 PM (3481 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:05:23 PM (3298 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 12:04:31 AM (3348 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:40:34 AM (3441 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Helene/GA
8/25/2005 11:59:50 PM (3300 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/26/2005 11:06:17 AM (3265 views)

Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2383 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (3221 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (3192 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2506 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (3397 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (4746 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (3352 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (3366 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (3376 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (3409 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (3205 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (3361 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (3222 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (3198 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (4511 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (3374 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (4540 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (3358 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (3306 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (3320 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (3222 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (3130 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (3061 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (3109 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (3119 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (3247 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (3139 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (3182 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (3199 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2373 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (3120 views)


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