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QuickClose - Robert Franco/OH
7/11/2005 1:35:12 PM (3255 views)
Re: QuickClose - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/11/2005 2:02:05 PM (2163 views)
Re: QuickClose - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/11/2005 7:02:46 PM (2221 views)
Re: QuickClose - Matthew DeLand/NY
7/12/2005 4:10:19 PM (2033 views)
Re: QuickClose - Robert Franco/OH
7/12/2005 5:41:06 PM (2090 views)
Re: QuickClose - Victoria Moate/NJ
8/9/2005 2:48:38 AM (2005 views)

A funny thing happened.... - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
7/10/2005 1:34:04 PM (2167 views)
Re: A funny thing happened.... - george Hubka/MI
7/10/2005 11:27:05 PM (2105 views)
Re: A funny thing happened.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/11/2005 10:42:48 AM (2106 views)

More Security Issues - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/9/2005 10:47:23 AM (2218 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/9/2005 10:52:18 AM (2328 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/9/2005 10:56:57 AM (2213 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/9/2005 11:08:55 AM (4364 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Scott Perry/PA
7/9/2005 11:51:02 AM (2118 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/9/2005 7:17:57 PM (2036 views)
Re: More Security Issues - george Hubka/MI
7/9/2005 8:36:47 PM (2183 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/9/2005 11:00:28 PM (2091 views)
Re: More Security Issues - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2005 8:56:48 PM (2089 views)
Re: More Security Issues - george Hubka/MI
7/9/2005 9:00:21 PM (2079 views)

E&O insurance continued... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/9/2005 10:18:53 AM (2210 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/9/2005 10:46:50 AM (2271 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/9/2005 11:26:57 AM (2238 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/9/2005 12:19:54 PM (2188 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/9/2005 7:19:40 PM (2326 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - george Hubka/MI
7/9/2005 8:41:35 PM (2336 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/9/2005 10:58:14 PM (2212 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - george Hubka/MI
7/10/2005 11:29:10 PM (2253 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Marsha Fox/AL
7/11/2005 8:20:50 AM (2521 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/12/2005 8:32:28 AM (2210 views)
Re: E&O insurance continued... - Donna Grady/NC
7/16/2005 10:56:00 PM (2179 views)

Former employees disclosures - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
7/9/2005 2:30:28 AM (2252 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2005 6:58:08 AM (2263 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
7/9/2005 12:46:36 PM (2385 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2005 4:18:22 PM (2284 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/9/2005 11:34:09 AM (2303 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
7/9/2005 12:43:23 PM (2353 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Douglas Gallant/OH
7/16/2005 4:43:54 PM (2273 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/17/2005 1:38:54 PM (2287 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
7/17/2005 11:04:32 PM (2178 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Robert Franco/OH
7/9/2005 1:13:29 PM (2317 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/9/2005 7:28:02 PM (2411 views)
Re: Former employees disclosures - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2005 8:52:53 PM (2275 views)
Re: Former employee disclosures - Galavantin Avatar/CA
7/15/2005 2:10:03 PM (2293 views)




Public Note of Thanks - Helene Gonzalez/GA
7/8/2005 10:23:42 PM (2984 views)
Re: Public Note of Thanks - Robert Franco/OH
7/9/2005 11:13:50 AM (2053 views)
Re: Public Note of Thanks - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/9/2005 11:17:24 AM (2084 views)
Re: Public Note of Thanks - Helene/GA
7/13/2005 11:39:49 PM (2129 views)

abstracting in LA - Michael Frank/TX
7/8/2005 10:13:51 AM (2103 views)
Re: abstracting in LA - Michael Frank/TX
7/8/2005 4:26:00 PM (2131 views)

So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:49:46 PM (3115 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 4:11:52 PM (4108 views)
Re: So, You Want To Out-Source Overseas??? - David Bloys/TX
7/10/2005 10:48:55 PM (5143 views)

Nationwide Title Clearing - Danielle Nelson/WI
7/7/2005 10:27:44 AM (2364 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/7/2005 12:47:25 PM (2754 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/7/2005 4:02:56 PM (2535 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - george Hubka/MI
7/7/2005 11:06:30 PM (2355 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
7/8/2005 8:18:14 AM (2365 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/15/2005 11:30:07 AM (2361 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
7/15/2005 12:41:55 PM (2321 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/16/2005 2:31:48 PM (2179 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/16/2005 11:02:26 PM (2199 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
7/19/2005 10:45:01 AM (2203 views)
Re: Nationwide Title Clearing - Never Again!!! - Bannon Lucas/FL
7/20/2005 4:35:33 PM (2349 views)

Abstractor Software... - Robert Franco/OH
7/6/2005 5:03:56 PM (1753 views)

Texas Courthouses - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/2/2005 1:06:43 PM (1748 views)

Women in business resource - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2005 11:55:16 AM (2666 views)

Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/29/2005 4:02:29 PM (2238 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/29/2005 5:03:27 PM (2284 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/29/2005 7:17:46 PM (2344 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2005 11:39:52 PM (2441 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 6:49:16 AM (2386 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2005 8:41:48 AM (2614 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2005 10:05:58 AM (2458 views)

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking.  If you are asking what I think the liability IS, then I would agree with Kevin.  You are liable to your client, and your abstractor is liable to you.  If the mistake was due to the abstractor's negligence, then you would be liable for the full amount to your client, and the abstractor would be liable for the same amount to you.

If you are asking what I think the liability SHOULD be, then I would say that this is what title insurance is for.  The insurer charged the premium based on the risks involved and they should assume all of the risk over and above the cost of the search.  Abstracting is a human service and humans make mistakes - that is one of the risks incurred in issuing a policy.

The problem with seeking damages from the abstractor is that most abstractors can not afford to pay them and a couple of E&O claims could easily put them out of business. The current fee structure that abstractors are able to charge really only compensates them for their time - not the liability.  I think most of the clients know this and it is unrealistic to expect the abstractor to shoulder all of the liability.

So, the way it should work, in my opinion... the insurer should pay the claim and if they feel that their abstractor isn't producing the quality necessary for their purpose, they should not use that abstractor again.  On the other hand, if they know the abstractor produces high quality, but missed something due to the fact that "to err is human" than they just have to accept the fact that there was a loss.

I don't think anyone should be liable for anything until a claim on the policy has been submitted to the underwriter.  When agents try to "take care" of a potential problem on their own, without submitting a claim - I think that should be their burden. 

If a claim is made, then it should be up to the underwriter whether or not they want to seek damages from the abstractor.   In my opinion, the underwriters should only use that option when absolutely necessary - if the abstractor didn't conduct the search according to the local title standards then there should be some liability.  However if the abstractor did everything properly, and just made an "honest mistake," then I don't think it is appropriate to seek damages.

The problem here is that is not always easy to distinguish between gross negligence and an honest mistake.  It is a judgment call that the underwriters should have to make.

There are a lot of risks that the underwriters are willing to accept.  Many potential issues are knowingly insured over.  I think that an honest mistake should be one of the acceptable losses, especially since they are receiving a portion of the premium based on the level of risk.  They can minimize the risk of searching error by using skilled, professional abstractors, rather than the cheapest  available.

This is an issue that I have been thinking a lot about lately and I do have a possible solution.  I am hoping to discuss it with representatives from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and HUD at the AFN conference next month.  I want to get their input, as the consumer, and then I will share it with everyone.

Thanks for the thread - great topic.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Searcher Liability Question - Larry Crooks/OH
6/30/2005 12:37:48 PM (2337 views)
Re: Searcher Liability Question - Regina Engebritson Engebritson/MN
8/10/2005 8:33:33 PM (2271 views)

reporting tax status on searches - christine/MA
6/29/2005 9:02:48 AM (2190 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
6/29/2005 10:45:43 AM (2278 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Steve Schneider/IN
6/29/2005 12:48:32 PM (2238 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Danielle Nelson/WI
6/29/2005 12:58:02 PM (2192 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2005 5:45:48 PM (2242 views)
Re: reporting tax status on searches - Kim Haase/MT
6/30/2005 1:26:31 AM (2400 views)

In Response to Robert's Thread of 6/24 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
6/27/2005 9:16:08 AM (2758 views)


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