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QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3868 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
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Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
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Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (6787 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
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Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (6942 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (6910 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (6953 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (7011 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (7080 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (6705 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6886 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6887 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (6800 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (6666 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:20:16 AM (6497 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (8389 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (6760 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/21/2005 1:14:46 PM (6494 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/23/2005 12:02:03 AM (6731 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/23/2005 6:30:34 AM (6612 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/23/2005 1:55:15 PM (6735 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/24/2005 6:42:19 AM (6472 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
10/23/2005 9:31:18 PM (6578 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
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Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Bill Jones/NJ
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:23:52 PM (6679 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/25/2005 6:11:22 PM (6615 views)

This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3853 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6901 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6947 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8572 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6741 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6709 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6772 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6884 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (8377 views)

David,

I think that your fierce opposition to exploitation of on-line records by thieves and foreigners may be clouding your view of the emerging realities of this business.  I think that most of us who produce abstracts share your concern.  I know that I do.  There is another reason to hate on-line records -- one that is not as often mentioned as the quality issues and the identity theft dangers, all valid issues:  On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own.

I have known John OConnor for 16 years and have worked for his company for 9 of them.  I can say with some confidence that your remarks about "being taken in" by on-line access and "naivety or short-sighted greed" are way off of the mark.

John's company took an enormous hit when our home county went on-line.  The revenue lost from just one VM was staggering.  Walking the three blocks to the recorder's office is certainly no hardship, so you can see why it would be in the company's best interest for on-line access to vanish, even if it does provide us with some conveniences.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.  Consider:  Most Clerks/Recorders/Registrars offices are run by polititions who know or care little about this industry.  Often the position is used as a stepping stone to a higher office.  Title plants are run by people who know and have a vested interest in the industry (with the possible exception of those companies in India that I have been reading alot about lately).  If using title plant records on-line (of equal or greater quality than the courthouse records) happens to be more cost-effective and efficient than driving 100 miles to complete 1 or 2 orders, then a wise business person would regard the option as a viable, available tool.

Using on-line records and document access, in conjunction with on-site records, can also offer an opportunity to cross-reference and pick up instruments misposted in one or the other set of records, or may offer an opportunity to search records in a more efficient manner.  Searching through separate books for each type of instrument is probably the least efficient method ever devised of searching land records.  Title plants have for years posted information by legal description, reducing the chances that the instruments that you seek will be lost in a sea of names. 

As to the cut-throat pricing, John's company does not engage in the practice.  I know this to be true because I am the one who sets the prices in most cases.  We have been forced to lower prices from time to time, I will concede.  But this has always been reactionary to the market and not to lowball business away from our fellow abstractors.  Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.

I have been reading your posts in this forum for long enough to know that you are not one to sit around and whine when things happen to affect you and your business adversely, David.  You, perhaps more than anybody else who contributes here, get up and do something about it.  I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.  They are separate issues completely.  If on-line access goes away, I will be right there with you cheering its demise.  So will John, I would bet.  But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary.  There is power in numbers.  A couple of years ago, some people who were posting on this site at the time made a tremendous effort to provide that power through NALTEA.  Perhaps if more of us who spend so much time lamenting our business woes on SOT would join together in this organization to create the power of numbers, rather than sit around and wait for others to do it, we could have some positive effect on the industry and, thus, our own careers. 

Again, David, I know that you are one of the doers, one of the volunteers, that make this country great.  This is not personal.





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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6689 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6742 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 2:54:56 PM (6504 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 7:15:04 PM (6501 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6926 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6754 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6759 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6777 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6656 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:53:34 PM (6620 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (6183 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (6537 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (6490 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3779 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6539 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/17/2005 6:03:20 PM (6233 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:03:31 PM (6490 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/18/2005 8:08:51 AM (6743 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 7:47:53 AM (6502 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6513 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6601 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6596 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6500 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3774 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:02:25 PM (6439 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 2:53:02 AM (6032 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
11/8/2005 3:38:02 PM (5924 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
11/21/2005 11:17:57 AM (5875 views)

Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3556 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (6298 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
10/17/2005 11:27:03 AM (6524 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
10/17/2005 6:25:38 PM (6611 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6562 views)




Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3650 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (6432 views)

indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3408 views)
Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
10/15/2005 3:07:59 PM (6088 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 6:40:24 PM (5958 views)
Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2005 8:05:07 PM (5971 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 11:18:03 PM (5894 views)
STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 1:06:12 PM (5955 views)
Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (6279 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2821 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3583 views)
Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM (6512 views)

A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: A word about prices... - Bo Hope/AR
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Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Here's my rant - Iris Buchman/FL
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Re: Here's my rant - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Here's my rant - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Here's my rant - Matt Papsch/MD
10/13/2005 5:35:02 PM (6008 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 11:47:19 AM (6217 views)
Re: Here's my rant - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Here's my rant - Wendi See/SC
10/15/2005 10:24:17 PM (6074 views)

Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
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Re: Refaxing - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Larry Crooks/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Danielle Nelson/WI
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Re: Refaxing - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Refaxing - Kelly Chamblee/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Refaxing - Susan Matson/MN
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Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:49:24 AM (3241 views)
Re: Rant! - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: Rant! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Rant! - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 12:26:35 AM (5734 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/13/2005 1:22:50 AM (5688 views)
Re: Rant! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/14/2005 10:02:18 AM (5711 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/13/2005 4:56:56 AM (5571 views)
Re: Rant! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/13/2005 4:44:01 PM (5616 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2005 8:06:47 AM (5662 views)
Re: Rant! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:08:48 PM (5698 views)
Re: Rant! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 8:21:44 AM (6031 views)

Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:28:49 AM (3338 views)
Re: Erevna? - Tammy Knight/MO
10/12/2005 12:29:48 AM (5564 views)
Re: Erevna? - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:15:26 PM (5883 views)

United Document Services of East Northport - JENNIFER HOLZMAN/PA
10/11/2005 1:24:41 PM (3247 views)
Re: United Document Services of East Northport - Scott Perry/PA
10/11/2005 7:24:54 PM (5534 views)


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