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VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 9:28:38 AM (2294 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 9:46:42 AM (2591 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 10:04:00 AM (2563 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 10:56:28 AM (2512 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 11:22:10 AM (2520 views)
Re: VIEWS - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/18/2005 1:48:09 PM (2363 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 2:37:02 PM (2534 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 4:07:10 PM (2405 views)
Re: VIEWS - Patrick Scott/IL
8/18/2005 11:03:59 PM (2399 views)

You asked for it... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/17/2005 5:05:10 PM (1796 views)

fees - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/16/2005 7:53:23 PM (2365 views)
Re: fees - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/16/2005 9:49:18 PM (2589 views)
Re: fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 10:36:52 PM (2555 views)
Re: fees - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 11:16:36 PM (2546 views)
Re: fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
8/17/2005 9:44:08 AM (2547 views)
Re: fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2005 11:03:24 AM (2530 views)
Re: fees - Jill Kissell/IA
8/22/2005 8:17:56 AM (2469 views)

The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 1:51:13 PM (2483 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/16/2005 1:57:05 PM (2616 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/16/2005 4:59:38 PM (2712 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 6:12:40 PM (3979 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/17/2005 10:56:59 PM (2509 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/18/2005 11:03:46 AM (2587 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Mary Mitchel/NY
8/18/2005 12:49:48 PM (2516 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Denald McCarthy/MA
8/22/2005 10:48:48 AM (2492 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2005 11:29:18 AM (2494 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Donna Grady/NC
8/27/2005 8:02:31 PM (2401 views)

Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:56:01 AM (2503 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - monica froese/ME
8/16/2005 3:06:57 PM (2753 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 7:07:41 PM (2756 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 6:32:51 PM (2765 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 2:38:05 PM (2554 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2005 3:49:46 PM (2635 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
8/23/2005 7:11:59 PM (2516 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/23/2005 9:05:17 PM (2553 views)




Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2005 9:42:28 PM (3065 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:51:42 PM (2539 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:58 PM (2613 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:16:04 PM (2616 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/16/2005 2:21:52 AM (2542 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2005 8:54:48 AM (2633 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:51:48 AM (2591 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 9:55:48 AM (2589 views)

County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 4:29:36 PM (2233 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:36:21 PM (2421 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2005 10:44:51 PM (2569 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:05:23 PM (2485 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 12:04:31 AM (2470 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:40:34 AM (2503 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Helene/GA
8/25/2005 11:59:50 PM (2410 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/26/2005 11:06:17 AM (2337 views)

Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (2100 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (2298 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (2303 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2196 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (2574 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (3846 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (2485 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 1:14:49 PM (2450 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 2:51:52 PM (2535 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/14/2005 7:15:22 PM (2539 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:24:14 PM (2401 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/14/2005 10:10:39 PM (2469 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 6:24:02 AM (2498 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 7:43:38 AM (2442 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 9:37:39 AM (2290 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:44:46 PM (2364 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 7:28:15 PM (2401 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:08:55 PM (3591 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/16/2005 5:52:36 AM (2500 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
8/17/2005 9:57:47 AM (3626 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/17/2005 10:09:42 AM (3742 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
8/14/2005 6:01:13 PM (2490 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 6:55:39 PM (2485 views)
Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (2437 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (2428 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (2240 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (2268 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (2294 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (2242 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/15/2005 12:07:39 PM (2325 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (2238 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (2298 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:13:32 PM (2326 views)

Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - Scott Perry/PA
8/13/2005 11:18:39 AM (2105 views)
Re: Update to My Post of 08.05.2005 - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:36:33 PM (2249 views)

Police Mortgage? - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:17:13 AM (1810 views)

Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/12/2005 11:09:01 AM (2092 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 1:53:08 PM (2238 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/12/2005 2:03:22 PM (2127 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference...Here is where we are staying - Jay Duncan/MO
8/12/2005 5:30:36 PM (2244 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Kevin Horan/PA
8/15/2005 12:41:07 PM (2183 views)
Re: Next NALTEA Conference - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:01:35 PM (2274 views)

New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/11/2005 5:59:50 PM (2106 views)
Re: New Interest - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/11/2005 11:40:19 PM (2368 views)
Re: New Interest - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/12/2005 7:23:56 AM (2317 views)
Re: New Interest - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/12/2005 9:33:38 AM (2398 views)
Re: New Interest - Gladys Brown/NC
8/12/2005 11:12:12 AM (2266 views)

HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 5:07:11 PM (2134 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/10/2005 5:43:23 PM (2445 views)
Re: HELP PLEASE! Fee problem - J Nisonger/CA
8/10/2005 8:34:25 PM (2409 views)

Policy Manual - Wendi See/SC
8/10/2005 1:05:21 PM (1780 views)


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