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Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/24/2005 12:06:20 AM (3390 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/24/2005 9:37:58 AM (6356 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/25/2005 10:43:14 PM (6260 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/26/2005 9:31:29 AM (6319 views)

Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4577 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:48:42 PM (6143 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Langdon Knight/MO
10/24/2005 1:26:33 AM (6049 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Deborah Manion/VA
10/24/2005 9:20:18 AM (6458 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 11:23:40 AM (6425 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:33:41 PM (6431 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:45:40 PM (6388 views)

Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (3518 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 4:15:36 PM (6279 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 4:23:57 PM (6361 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2005 4:54:04 PM (6602 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/23/2005 3:54:46 PM (6603 views)

Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4709 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/21/2005 6:07:31 PM (6574 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 6:23:54 PM (6578 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:14:44 PM (6508 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/21/2005 9:38:21 PM (6395 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/22/2005 8:06:58 AM (6678 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 10:35:54 AM (6643 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/22/2005 11:57:06 AM (6598 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 12:01:35 PM (6554 views)

research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3737 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 8:07:53 AM (7337 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 12:44:12 PM (7321 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 11:38:23 AM (8780 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 1:04:37 PM (7379 views)
Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:30:14 AM (7033 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (7148 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:57 PM (7251 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (7224 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (7000 views)




QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3781 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/19/2005 11:29:36 PM (6859 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (6847 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (6930 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rachel Malone/PA
10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (6950 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (6891 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (6918 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (6614 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (6704 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (6778 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (6752 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (6793 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (6844 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (6915 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (6538 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6703 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6731 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (6637 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (6499 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:20:16 AM (6346 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (8217 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (6599 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/21/2005 1:14:46 PM (6328 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/23/2005 12:02:03 AM (6564 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/23/2005 6:30:34 AM (6456 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/23/2005 1:55:15 PM (6563 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/24/2005 6:42:19 AM (6325 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
10/23/2005 9:31:18 PM (6402 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:45:42 AM (6392 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jacqueline Quaresimo/PA
10/29/2005 3:55:31 PM (5974 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
10/23/2005 7:43:10 PM (6460 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Bill Jones/NJ
10/24/2005 7:06:57 PM (6418 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/24/2005 8:33:51 PM (6309 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:32:09 PM (6172 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:23:52 PM (6517 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/25/2005 6:11:22 PM (6449 views)

This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3803 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (6726 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (6741 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (8361 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 7:48:12 PM (6555 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 10:06:16 PM (6528 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 11:16:17 PM (6589 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (6689 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (8171 views)

David,

I think that your fierce opposition to exploitation of on-line records by thieves and foreigners may be clouding your view of the emerging realities of this business.  I think that most of us who produce abstracts share your concern.  I know that I do.  There is another reason to hate on-line records -- one that is not as often mentioned as the quality issues and the identity theft dangers, all valid issues:  On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own.

I have known John OConnor for 16 years and have worked for his company for 9 of them.  I can say with some confidence that your remarks about "being taken in" by on-line access and "naivety or short-sighted greed" are way off of the mark.

John's company took an enormous hit when our home county went on-line.  The revenue lost from just one VM was staggering.  Walking the three blocks to the recorder's office is certainly no hardship, so you can see why it would be in the company's best interest for on-line access to vanish, even if it does provide us with some conveniences.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.  Consider:  Most Clerks/Recorders/Registrars offices are run by polititions who know or care little about this industry.  Often the position is used as a stepping stone to a higher office.  Title plants are run by people who know and have a vested interest in the industry (with the possible exception of those companies in India that I have been reading alot about lately).  If using title plant records on-line (of equal or greater quality than the courthouse records) happens to be more cost-effective and efficient than driving 100 miles to complete 1 or 2 orders, then a wise business person would regard the option as a viable, available tool.

Using on-line records and document access, in conjunction with on-site records, can also offer an opportunity to cross-reference and pick up instruments misposted in one or the other set of records, or may offer an opportunity to search records in a more efficient manner.  Searching through separate books for each type of instrument is probably the least efficient method ever devised of searching land records.  Title plants have for years posted information by legal description, reducing the chances that the instruments that you seek will be lost in a sea of names. 

As to the cut-throat pricing, John's company does not engage in the practice.  I know this to be true because I am the one who sets the prices in most cases.  We have been forced to lower prices from time to time, I will concede.  But this has always been reactionary to the market and not to lowball business away from our fellow abstractors.  Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.

I have been reading your posts in this forum for long enough to know that you are not one to sit around and whine when things happen to affect you and your business adversely, David.  You, perhaps more than anybody else who contributes here, get up and do something about it.  I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.  They are separate issues completely.  If on-line access goes away, I will be right there with you cheering its demise.  So will John, I would bet.  But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary.  There is power in numbers.  A couple of years ago, some people who were posting on this site at the time made a tremendous effort to provide that power through NALTEA.  Perhaps if more of us who spend so much time lamenting our business woes on SOT would join together in this organization to create the power of numbers, rather than sit around and wait for others to do it, we could have some positive effect on the industry and, thus, our own careers. 

Again, David, I know that you are one of the doers, one of the volunteers, that make this country great.  This is not personal.





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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (6494 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 12:18:39 PM (6541 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 2:54:56 PM (6322 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 7:15:04 PM (6322 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:30:26 PM (6742 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:34:20 PM (6570 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:20:15 PM (6570 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:48:49 AM (6584 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (6456 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:53:34 PM (6428 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
10/27/2005 8:43:35 PM (5992 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (6337 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (6292 views)

New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3718 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 5:20:20 PM (6384 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/17/2005 6:03:20 PM (6061 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:03:31 PM (6313 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/18/2005 8:08:51 AM (6571 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/18/2005 5:05:08 PM (6487 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 7:47:53 AM (6329 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 8:01:03 AM (6344 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Rachel Malone/PA
10/19/2005 8:05:39 AM (6433 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 11:55:28 AM (6393 views)
Re: New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:10:49 PM (6338 views)

LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3705 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Iris Buchman/FL
10/17/2005 6:02:25 PM (6257 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 2:53:02 AM (5845 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL
11/8/2005 3:38:02 PM (5748 views)
Re: LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Jason Sheppard/PA
11/21/2005 11:17:57 AM (5700 views)

Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3507 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 10:40:01 PM (6132 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Kim Cowles/FL
10/17/2005 11:27:03 AM (6327 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Bo Hope/AR
10/17/2005 6:25:38 PM (6419 views)
Re: Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO
10/19/2005 3:13:32 PM (6331 views)

Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3596 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/15/2005 5:48:16 PM (5967 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/16/2005 4:30:53 PM (5978 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/16/2005 4:54:24 PM (5979 views)
Re: Fed up! - Jay Duncan/MO
10/17/2005 12:16:19 PM (6272 views)
Re: Fed up! - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/17/2005 3:56:17 PM (6216 views)

indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3359 views)
Re: indexing - Scott Perry/PA
10/15/2005 3:07:59 PM (5923 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 6:40:24 PM (5797 views)
Re: indexing - Robert Franco/OH
10/15/2005 8:05:07 PM (5799 views)
Re: indexing - monica froese/ME
10/15/2005 11:18:03 PM (5728 views)
STUCK ON "STUPID" - Scott Perry/PA
10/16/2005 1:06:12 PM (5783 views)
Re: indexing - Larry Crooks/OH
10/17/2005 3:34:21 PM (6132 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2778 views)

Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3532 views)
Re: Anyone heard of this company.... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/19/2005 12:12:30 PM (6358 views)

A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/13/2005 5:40:44 PM (3938 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Kurt deVries/FL
10/14/2005 9:39:16 AM (5947 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Breakell/CT
10/14/2005 9:50:44 AM (5998 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH
10/14/2005 12:03:18 PM (6030 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Scott Perry/PA
10/14/2005 5:24:10 PM (5947 views)
Re: A word about prices... - Bo Hope/AR
10/16/2005 1:55:51 AM (5913 views)


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