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abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
9/20/2005 12:09:58 AM (2503 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/20/2005 7:33:08 PM (2968 views)
Re: abstractors of america, md - Gail Frey/CT
10/11/2005 10:33:06 PM (2697 views)

Another call from India... - Robert Franco/OH
9/19/2005 10:41:21 AM (2475 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:32 AM (3157 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
9/19/2005 11:55:25 AM (3101 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Joshua Lonon/SC
9/19/2005 3:47:32 PM (3070 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Jay Duncan/MO
9/19/2005 4:22:06 PM (3032 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ellen Malloy/MO
9/19/2005 8:20:32 PM (3073 views)

Robert....

In the last six months, we have gotten three calls and two emails from Indian Outsourcing Companies.  The last one was an email today from "Infinity" claiming to provide 5-16 hour service on all their products on every county in the United States.  They work "24-7" and utilize DataTrace and DataTree...plus some other data providers I didn't recognize.  I hesitate being judgmental - but it is very difficult to understand how they can offer searches, etc without knowledgeable turncoats from this country. Tri County Abstract Inc utilizes Data Trace and Data Tree - but only because it started out as another entity in the counties I serviced - and I was drug screaming and kicking into the "Joint Venture".  Once it became a joint venture, I set about computerizing the county data we had in our office already as a backup - the St Louis County data from the Recorder's office - and using St Louis City's Laredo program to back up the city.  The daily recordings from both of those counties are sent directly to India by First American/Data Trace  - which is then indexed into their database.  I have to be truthful and say that the reliability of Data Trace has spiralled in recent years since that implementation.

Even with those Databases available to us - a trip to the Courthouse is still necessary for judgments.  We have an onsite plant going back to 1973; but anything prior to that must either be researched at the recorder's office or at the title plant facility where DataTrace is now operating. So to provide a complete search, you need access to older information that is just not online.  Data Tree is lacking many documents and far from completion - the copies only go back to 1985, if that far. We make the large majority of copies ourselves.

   I learned many years back that one needs to keep all possibilities open and not rely on one data provider.  Much like a monopolizing utility company - when there are no options - there is no freedom of choice. First American is one of my better clients;  and I don't mean to criticize.  But it would seem to me that a company with the name of "First American" should be the last one to provide access to countries outside of our own.  I think many people on this board are hesitant to speak out about it, as I was, but unless there is an effort somewhere to stop this attempt at monopolization of all phases of the title industry - all of us will be looking for a job and to work for First American; would need to move to India.

   These databases have accumulated years of data from companies in existence for years and years....here it was Land Title, a company whose inhouse indexing goes back to the mid 1800's.  The computer plant is only back to 1985.  The First American/DataTrace entity here approaches title agents with a special program where the title is ordered thru First American and then insured thru First American.  Their fees are higher; but supposedly since they run the title - there will be no problem if a claim arises.  There is something inherantly wrong with a system that allows that; let alone pushes it.  And any agent who believes they have a non-compete with the local First American is sitting on on their head.  The local First American is hidden underneath the agent's paper.  No wonder companies are flipping like dolphins here in St Louis. 

That's just my local story.  Like I said, First American is a client of mine - one not located in the St Louis area.  And I am truly torn between wanting Data Trace and Data Tree to remain available - and wanting to stop the outsourcing of bulk documents out of this country.  Computerization is a necessary evil that we have to contend with.  But I can assure you - the reliability of any title coming from India is not worth the paper it is written on.  Too many glitches in the local public records to really see it all online.

...please excuse my wordiness...but ...there.  I got my humble opinion out in the open.

Ellen M Malloy
Tri County Abstract Inc.

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Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/20/2005 6:41:10 AM (3130 views)
Re: Another call from India... - Ron Rooney/SC
9/20/2005 2:00:03 PM (3206 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/21/2005 7:31:16 PM (3010 views)
Re: Another call from India... - David Bloys/TX
9/23/2005 8:41:00 AM (4505 views)
Re: Another call from India... - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 9:59:42 AM (2976 views)

Looking Glass ? - JOSEPH EMERSON/MN
9/19/2005 9:30:01 AM (1951 views)

$100 Membership for Work??? - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 8:38:36 AM (2328 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Scott Perry/PA
9/19/2005 9:07:08 AM (2916 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Michaela Urban/OH
9/19/2005 9:25:08 AM (2763 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:43:23 PM (2769 views)
Re: $100 Membership for Work??? "DON'T THINK SO!!!" - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/19/2005 11:27:51 PM (2779 views)

Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 1:01:14 AM (2294 views)
Re: Inquiring - Joanie Hahr/VT
9/19/2005 6:57:50 AM (2941 views)
Re: Inquiring - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:39:38 PM (2946 views)




David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:00:17 AM (2261 views)
Re: David Bloys - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 9:03:01 AM (4252 views)
Re: David Bloys - J Nisonger/CA
9/23/2005 3:14:23 AM (2754 views)

Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:59:27 AM (2342 views)
Re: Just wondering - J Nisonger/CA
9/19/2005 1:04:24 AM (2874 views)
Re: Just wondering - Tammy Knight/MO
9/19/2005 12:36:00 PM (2808 views)

BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/16/2005 7:44:46 PM (2499 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Susie/OH
9/16/2005 11:46:44 PM (2976 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/17/2005 12:02:22 PM (2927 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
1/12/2006 2:08:49 PM (2468 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Scott Perry/PA
9/17/2005 4:00:01 PM (2940 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Norean/GA
9/17/2005 11:14:08 PM (2871 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Matt Papsch/MD
9/19/2005 4:20:12 PM (2797 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
1/12/2006 2:09:29 PM (2389 views)
Re: BRB Abstracting - Beverly Bowen/WI
1/12/2006 2:07:16 PM (2405 views)

Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
9/16/2005 10:08:17 AM (2538 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
9/17/2005 12:00:36 PM (2991 views)
Re: Should've known better - Scott Perry/PA
9/17/2005 3:52:41 PM (2935 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
9/19/2005 4:16:17 PM (2911 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
9/19/2005 5:47:19 PM (2866 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/3/2005 2:58:16 PM (2679 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/3/2005 3:55:07 PM (2650 views)
Re: Should've known better - Scott Perry/PA
10/3/2005 9:03:38 PM (2908 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
10/3/2005 10:31:56 PM (2755 views)
Re: Should've known better - Matt Papsch/MD
10/20/2005 2:22:42 AM (2677 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/4/2005 7:13:49 PM (2608 views)
Re: Should've known better - David Bloys/TX
10/4/2005 9:34:54 PM (2715 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/4/2005 9:36:38 PM (2590 views)
Re: Should've known better - Nikki Marangoni/FL
10/5/2005 11:27:31 AM (2592 views)
Re: Should've known better - Julie Jasiunas/WI
10/11/2005 4:35:36 PM (2602 views)

How long? - Laurie/MD
9/14/2005 4:17:01 PM (2369 views)
Re: How long? - Jay Duncan/MO
9/14/2005 5:24:58 PM (3797 views)
Re: How long? - Patrick Scott/IL
9/14/2005 6:14:13 PM (2552 views)
Re: How long? - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/14/2005 6:44:15 PM (2567 views)

10,000 Registered Users! - Robert Franco/OH
9/14/2005 11:19:21 AM (2216 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
9/14/2005 11:41:02 AM (2516 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Dave Pell/FL
9/14/2005 11:43:26 AM (2456 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Matthew DeLand/NY
9/14/2005 1:27:31 PM (2463 views)
Re: 10,000 Registered Users! - Wanda Steudel/OH
9/16/2005 6:41:44 PM (2448 views)

Gas Price Survey - Scott Perry/PA
9/13/2005 9:16:51 PM (2299 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Shannon Blatt/VA
9/13/2005 11:22:34 PM (2475 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Patrick Scott/IL
9/13/2005 11:57:18 PM (2510 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Jay Duncan/MO
9/14/2005 7:46:17 AM (2425 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Eboni/VA
9/14/2005 8:28:01 AM (2447 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Scott Perry/PA
9/14/2005 8:45:50 AM (2501 views)
Re: Gas Price Survey - Donna McKamy/MT
9/19/2005 4:42:20 PM (2424 views)

Just Wondering - Kim Cowles/WI
9/13/2005 4:19:00 PM (2350 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Robert Franco/OH
9/13/2005 4:57:01 PM (2508 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/13/2005 6:24:28 PM (2519 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Steve Schneider/IN
9/14/2005 9:15:54 PM (2513 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Scott Perry/PA
9/13/2005 7:18:52 PM (2474 views)
Re: Just Wondering - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/14/2005 8:34:40 AM (2492 views)

Caught Looking - Douglas Gallant/OH
9/12/2005 5:24:52 PM (2310 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/12/2005 7:12:05 PM (2536 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Rich/ME
9/12/2005 8:29:51 PM (2545 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/12/2005 11:54:14 PM (2545 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/13/2005 2:07:12 PM (2518 views)
Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
9/13/2005 7:16:10 PM (2480 views)
Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
9/13/2005 7:22:24 PM (2485 views)
Re: Caught Looking - Scott Perry/PA
9/13/2005 7:37:42 PM (2476 views)
Re: Caught Looking - monica froese/ME
9/13/2005 10:15:53 PM (2445 views)

REMEMBER THE WTC - Scott Perry/PA
9/11/2005 6:48:39 PM (1819 views)


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