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Re: Back to school - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Back to school - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Back to school - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: Back to school - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Liability Disclaimer - Danielle Nelson/WI
8/23/2005 2:01:59 PM (2177 views)
Re: Liability Disclaimer - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kelli Gorman/TX
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: Liability Disclaimer - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Matt Papsch/MD
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Re: The Jordan Group - Any experience with any of these affiliated companies? - Robert Franco/OH
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Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - Jay Duncan/MO
8/21/2005 8:39:17 PM (2285 views)
Re: Gasoline Trivia - Who Would Have Thought? - ginger galloway/OH
8/22/2005 9:17:07 AM (2198 views)

NALTEA committees... - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 12:25:11 PM (1647 views)


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thanks anyway - Kim Haase/MT
8/18/2005 12:18:26 PM (1671 views)

VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 9:28:38 AM (2190 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 9:46:42 AM (2344 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 10:04:00 AM (2315 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 10:56:28 AM (2256 views)
Re: VIEWS - Jay Duncan/MO
8/18/2005 11:22:10 AM (2266 views)
Re: VIEWS - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/18/2005 1:48:09 PM (2120 views)
Re: VIEWS - Robert Franco/OH
8/18/2005 2:37:02 PM (2263 views)
Re: VIEWS - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
8/18/2005 4:07:10 PM (2161 views)
Re: VIEWS - Patrick Scott/IL
8/18/2005 11:03:59 PM (2147 views)

You asked for it... - Jay Duncan/MO
8/17/2005 5:05:10 PM (1711 views)

fees - Lynn Hammett/SC
8/16/2005 7:53:23 PM (2220 views)
Re: fees - Edward Mastrianni/CT
8/16/2005 9:49:18 PM (2329 views)
Re: fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 10:36:52 PM (2306 views)
Re: fees - Scott Perry/PA
8/16/2005 11:16:36 PM (2291 views)
Re: fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
8/17/2005 9:44:08 AM (2284 views)
Re: fees - Robert Franco/OH
8/17/2005 11:03:24 AM (2275 views)
Re: fees - Jill Kissell/IA
8/22/2005 8:17:56 AM (2212 views)

The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 1:51:13 PM (2371 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/16/2005 1:57:05 PM (2363 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
8/16/2005 4:59:38 PM (2440 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 6:12:40 PM (3696 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: The royal shaft! - Wanda Steudel/OH
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Re: The royal shaft! - Mary Mitchel/NY
8/18/2005 12:49:48 PM (2251 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Denald McCarthy/MA
8/22/2005 10:48:48 AM (2228 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Robert Franco/OH
8/22/2005 11:29:18 AM (2230 views)
Re: The royal shaft! - Donna Grady/NC
8/27/2005 8:02:31 PM (2163 views)

Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:56:01 AM (2392 views)
Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - monica froese/ME
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Anyone Hear from Jason Sheppard? - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2005 9:42:28 PM (2927 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 9:51:42 PM (2273 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
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Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Glenda Hodge/TN
8/16/2005 2:21:52 AM (2294 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/16/2005 9:51:48 AM (2334 views)
Re: Gas Prices...here we go again!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/16/2005 9:55:48 AM (2333 views)

County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/15/2005 4:29:36 PM (2096 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/15/2005 6:36:21 PM (2142 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Scott Perry/PA
8/15/2005 10:44:51 PM (2287 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 11:05:23 PM (2201 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - David Bloys/TX
8/16/2005 12:04:31 AM (2195 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: County Indexing Systems - Helene/GA
8/25/2005 11:59:50 PM (2134 views)
Re: County Indexing Systems - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
8/26/2005 11:06:17 AM (2078 views)

Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/15/2005 12:15:36 PM (1974 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 1:27:14 PM (2032 views)
Re: Naltea Clearwater? Oh Yeah! - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 3:09:32 PM (2034 views)

Ever had this happen to you? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/13/2005 5:27:40 PM (2077 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/13/2005 6:33:43 PM (2297 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/14/2005 9:10:36 AM (3576 views)

This is a problem that is going to continue and will only become worse with the passage of time. The escalation of expenses (primarily gasoline) and the constant pressures to reduce our prices has only one result...declining profit margin. I suppose we could hold firm on our prices in the hope that clients will eventually come to their senses and realize that the quality of the search justifies a fair price for the work entailed therein, but in a profit driven industry that does not seem to be working. It seems to result in declining client bases because as we all know there are the unskilled and uninsured abstractors that will perform the searches.

Some of us can take solice in the belief (no matter how mistaken) that we have a hard core list of clients that will never leave, but as we all know there is no such thing as client loyalty, and the belief is unfounded. The problem seems to be in the desire of clients to maximize their profit at the expense of the abstractor. For those of you that perform closings in addition to abstracting, I think you have all seen the prices shown on HUD 1 forms that borrowers are charged for searches/recordings and closings. I think you will agree that the prices are a far cry from what the abstractors and signing agents actually receive for their work. There is a huge mark up. It seems to stem from the title companies desire to maximize profit. However, such is life in a free enterprize system. From what I have seen on this board and research I have performed, it is not clear whether RESPA governs third party mark ups depending on the Federal Circuit in which you reside...there are other laws that may however govern this issue.

The abstractors are losing ground everyday, and are going to continue to be victimized by clients with low ball pricing, unreasonable requests for additional service with no corresponding additional charge and delinquent payments. The challenge for the abstractor is to find a way to compete effectively. 

At the risk of being repetitious, I am going to revisit a discussion that we had on this board a while back. For those of you that are not interested, I will understand if you want to tune out now.

Last October we explored the idea of forming a Vendor Management/Title Company in the form of either our own corporation or LLC. Anyone out there think that it may be time to take a second look at this? 

There were a number of concerns at that time:

     How do we fund it?  As with all new businesses, initially it would take
     an infusion of capital from shareholders or LLC members buying in.
     Subsequently it could be self supporting just as any other title company.
     If there are profits at the end of the year they can be dividended back
     to the shareholders or LLC members.

     Fair prices for work performed? The work would be assigned to
     shareholders/LLC members first. It is a closed system. We go to the
     outside only if there is no abstractor or signing agent available in the
     area for an assignment. We set the prices for our work. We by pass
     the title companies entirely, and approach the lenders directly as client's.
     We charge the lenders fair prices ...possibly more competitive than the 
     title companies with which they are currently dealing, but taking into
     account the prices we want for our services. The problem we
     seem to be running into currently is with our clients pressuring us for 
     price reductions, not the lenders. The lenders just factor the search
     fees and closing costs into their expenses, and pass them along to the
     borrowers.

     Blue sky laws? There was some concern as to having to conform
     to a patch work of state laws protecting individuals from business
     opporntunity scams. These laws are good and do in fact protect people
     from predatory scam artists, but it is difficult for a legitimate company to
     conform its business model to many different state laws which are often
     not uniform in their application.

     There is a simple solution. We can opt for federal regulation under the
     Federal Trade Commission rather than state regulation. It is designed
     for companies engaged in interstate commerce rather than intrastate
     commerce.If we are under federal jurisdiction we need to conform to
     only one uniform law rather than 50 conflicting statutes.

     Will we be competing with ourselves? There was much concern as
     to whether individuals buying into the LLC would be competing with
     themselves or losing business which they had already built up over the
     years. The answer to your question is no. In addition from taking
     assignments from the corporation/LLC that you own, you retain all the
     clients you previously had, and continue to develop your business on
     the side. You are currently dealing with vendor managers and title
     companies as clients. Your LLC is going to be dealing directly with
     lenders as clients, and assigning the work to its members. If the
     corporation/LLC is organized properly you could potentially receive
     higher fees for your work than those for which you are struggling to
     maintain now with your current list of clients.

It is time to start thinking big.

 

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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
8/14/2005 11:01:55 AM (2218 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Thank you so much!!! - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
8/14/2005 10:23:17 PM (2157 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Spencer Kinsey/AR
8/15/2005 12:11:54 AM (2143 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:07:07 AM (1982 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:04:06 AM (1998 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 10:23:25 AM (2033 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Robert Franco/OH
8/15/2005 10:52:42 AM (1972 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
8/15/2005 12:19:50 PM (1967 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
8/15/2005 12:25:46 PM (2020 views)
Re: Ever had this happen to you? - Matthew DeLand/NY
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