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Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2475 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (3578 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3714 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (3585 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (3567 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (3594 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1880 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2877 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3805 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3868 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (3939 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3840 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (3634 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3715 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3821 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (3644 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (3945 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3927 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3774 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (5699 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3851 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2525 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (5734 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (3716 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (3696 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (3663 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (3674 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (3539 views)




Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2487 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (3465 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (3650 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2654 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (3463 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (3262 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (3179 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2979 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (3013 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (3030 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (3036 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (5377 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (3456 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (3104 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (3174 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (3070 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (3026 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (3042 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (3139 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (3106 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (3182 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (3125 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (3191 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (3192 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (3238 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (3201 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (3041 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2975 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2913 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (3108 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2977 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (3015 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2938 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2944 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (3017 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2967 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2957 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (3075 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (3136 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (3070 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2973 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (3141 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (3057 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (3083 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2903 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (3023 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2943 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2848 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2729 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2927 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2751 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2720 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2737 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2698 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2865 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2905 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2842 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2828 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (2618 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2715 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2713 views)

American Legal and Financial Network, First American, Old Republic... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (3155 views)

Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/13/2005 4:20:09 PM (2600 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/14/2005 7:19:18 AM (3440 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
12/15/2005 7:46:20 AM (3306 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 9:40:48 AM (3568 views)
Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: Clear Title in Jacksonville? - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:21:31 AM (3351 views)

Shipping Costs - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/13/2005 12:28:15 PM (2551 views)
Re: Shipping Costs - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Shipping Costs - Robert Breakell/CT
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Re: Shipping Costs - Steve Schneider/IN
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Re: Shipping Costs - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/8/2005 1:51:37 PM (2517 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 8:27:09 PM (3372 views)
Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Share a Holiday Recipe - The King's Kid/PA
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Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Cookies - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Cookies - Tammy Elliott/WA
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Re: Cookies - J Nisonger/CA
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Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Stories - monica froese/ME
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Re: Stories - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Stories - Ellen Malloy/MO
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Re: Stories - J Nisonger/CA
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Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Tammy Knight/MO
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Rachel Malone/PA
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Leave it Up to Texas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/9/2005 7:58:43 AM (3189 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/8/2005 9:38:37 PM (3346 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - David Bloys/TX
12/9/2005 10:02:03 AM (3325 views)
Re: Leave it Up to Texas - J Nisonger/CA
12/9/2005 7:18:17 PM (3263 views)

Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Jay Duncan/MO
12/6/2005 3:21:57 PM (3654 views)
Re: Early Registration Extended to Dec. 14th - Robert Franco/OH
12/6/2005 4:06:12 PM (3234 views)


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