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The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:59:03 PM (2357 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:01:47 PM (3405 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:29:40 PM (3317 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:37:05 PM (3212 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:45:53 PM (3226 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 3:02:09 PM (3298 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 3:16:18 PM (3139 views)

And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:43:49 AM (2512 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:51:16 AM (3301 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:56:23 AM (3437 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:17:47 AM (3359 views)
Re: And another thing.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:18:49 PM (3156 views)

Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:17:57 AM (2384 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:25:21 AM (3388 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:34:35 AM (3455 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:39:20 AM (3297 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:51:13 AM (3371 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:54:10 AM (3299 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:58:00 AM (3514 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:16:48 AM (3235 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 11:28:23 AM (3248 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/21/2005 12:06:23 PM (3423 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 12:27:10 PM (3338 views)

Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:06:00 AM (2458 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/21/2005 9:23:21 AM (3473 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:41:07 AM (3434 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:22:33 AM (3388 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:33:16 PM (3465 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 1:56:32 PM (3305 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:04:27 PM (3358 views)
How about a secular Christmas story - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/21/2005 10:03:24 AM (3372 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Julie Jasiunas/WI
12/21/2005 10:06:12 AM (3405 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:08:41 AM (3259 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:34:22 AM (3395 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:36:04 AM (3422 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:39:18 AM (3396 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:54:14 AM (3462 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:57:43 AM (3497 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:05:45 PM (3468 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Loretta Reed/MD
12/21/2005 12:29:09 PM (3242 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kim Cowles/WI
12/22/2005 8:19:44 AM (3236 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2005 11:36:01 AM (3289 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/22/2005 11:46:24 AM (3229 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:35:00 AM (3279 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 8:16:45 AM (3264 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 9:21:36 AM (3183 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Deborah Manion/VA
12/23/2005 9:22:39 AM (3146 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2005 6:15:44 PM (3159 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/23/2005 11:58:51 AM (3222 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/27/2005 12:16:01 PM (3172 views)

Monica - J Anonymous/CA
12/21/2005 3:52:22 AM (1887 views)




This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 3:37:05 AM (3453 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - Scott Perry/PA
12/21/2005 8:05:32 AM (3190 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:14:00 PM (3206 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:21:55 PM (3154 views)

Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 11:29:31 AM (2484 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 12:08:25 PM (3584 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/20/2005 12:49:13 PM (3633 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 2:06:10 PM (3570 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 2:34:49 PM (3430 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/20/2005 3:56:14 PM (3612 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 4:36:59 PM (3664 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 4:57:04 PM (3555 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 5:14:09 PM (3499 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 2:35:49 AM (3327 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 9:31:26 AM (3356 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 10:29:36 AM (3368 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:41:57 AM (3445 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 10:51:06 AM (3360 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/21/2005 10:59:04 AM (3406 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 11:35:58 AM (3265 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/23/2005 2:51:36 PM (3326 views)

Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2385 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/20/2005 11:37:44 AM (3377 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (3362 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3504 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (3381 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (3349 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (3382 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1821 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2804 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3578 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3620 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (3701 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3630 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (3411 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3439 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3548 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (3417 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (3734 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3718 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3702 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (5444 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3622 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2465 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (5468 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (3482 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (3442 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (3433 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (3443 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (3339 views)

Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2423 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (3225 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (3401 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2595 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (3260 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (3050 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (2961 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2786 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (2808 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (2845 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (2849 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (5144 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (3253 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (2887 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (2951 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (2868 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (2806 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (2832 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (2893 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (2870 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (2959 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (2904 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (2961 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (2948 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (3019 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (2963 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (2837 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2773 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2698 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (2898 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2750 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (2787 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2729 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2741 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (2798 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2737 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2735 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (2823 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (2906 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (2842 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2761 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (2891 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (2814 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (2860 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2689 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (2809 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2732 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2645 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2536 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2698 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2548 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2514 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2518 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2484 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2642 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2693 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2633 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2622 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (2403 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2515 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2493 views)

American Legal and Financial Network, First American, Old Republic... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (3074 views)


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