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The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:59:03 PM (2349 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:01:47 PM (3351 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:29:40 PM (3271 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:37:05 PM (3161 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 2:45:53 PM (3174 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 3:02:09 PM (3248 views)
Re: The Bill of Non-Rights - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 3:16:18 PM (3086 views)

And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:43:49 AM (2505 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:51:16 AM (3274 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:56:23 AM (3405 views)
Re: And another thing.... - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:17:47 AM (3327 views)
Re: And another thing.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:18:49 PM (3118 views)

Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:17:57 AM (2382 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:25:21 AM (3358 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:34:35 AM (3432 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:39:20 AM (3270 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:51:13 AM (3346 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:54:10 AM (3270 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:58:00 AM (3487 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 11:16:48 AM (3210 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 11:28:23 AM (3225 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/21/2005 12:06:23 PM (3391 views)
Re: Another "Seasonal" Post - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 12:27:10 PM (3306 views)

Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:06:00 AM (2454 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/21/2005 9:23:21 AM (3449 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 9:41:07 AM (3411 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:22:33 AM (3370 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 1:33:16 PM (3444 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 1:56:32 PM (3285 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Jay Duncan/MO
12/21/2005 2:04:27 PM (3340 views)
How about a secular Christmas story - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/21/2005 10:03:24 AM (3344 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Julie Jasiunas/WI
12/21/2005 10:06:12 AM (3380 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:08:41 AM (3230 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Rachel Malone/PA
12/21/2005 10:34:22 AM (3378 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:36:04 AM (3404 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:39:18 AM (3376 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Kurt deVries/FL
12/21/2005 10:54:14 AM (3441 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:57:43 AM (3471 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:05:45 PM (3450 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Loretta Reed/MD
12/21/2005 12:29:09 PM (3220 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kim Cowles/WI
12/22/2005 8:19:44 AM (3214 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/22/2005 11:36:01 AM (3270 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/22/2005 11:46:24 AM (3202 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:35:00 AM (3254 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 8:16:45 AM (3245 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/23/2005 9:21:36 AM (3162 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Deborah Manion/VA
12/23/2005 9:22:39 AM (3116 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2005 6:15:44 PM (3131 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Kurt deVries/FL
12/23/2005 11:58:51 AM (3203 views)
Re: Seasonal Postings..my 2cents worth - Scott Perry/PA
12/27/2005 12:16:01 PM (3147 views)

Monica - J Anonymous/CA
12/21/2005 3:52:22 AM (1884 views)




This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 3:37:05 AM (3447 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - Scott Perry/PA
12/21/2005 8:05:32 AM (3166 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 12:14:00 PM (3179 views)
Re: This is a season of may celebrations.... - J Nisonger/CA
12/21/2005 2:21:55 PM (3132 views)

Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 11:29:31 AM (2481 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 12:08:25 PM (3564 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/20/2005 12:49:13 PM (3610 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 2:06:10 PM (3547 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 2:34:49 PM (3405 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Barbara Bennett/IN
12/20/2005 3:56:14 PM (3587 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 4:36:59 PM (3639 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/20/2005 4:57:04 PM (3531 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Wanda Steudel/OH
12/20/2005 5:14:09 PM (3474 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 2:35:49 AM (3299 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 9:31:26 AM (3327 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 10:29:36 AM (3344 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Deborah Manion/VA
12/21/2005 10:41:57 AM (3427 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Robert Franco/OH
12/21/2005 10:51:06 AM (3334 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/21/2005 10:59:04 AM (3385 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Patrick Scott/IL
12/21/2005 11:35:58 AM (3239 views)
Re: Beware of New Product Requests - Larry Crooks/OH
12/23/2005 2:51:36 PM (3306 views)

Just had to share! - Jay Duncan/MO
12/20/2005 8:42:47 AM (2384 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/20/2005 11:37:44 AM (3356 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:18:59 PM (3341 views)
Re: Just had to share! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/20/2005 1:49:39 PM (3482 views)
Re: Just had to share! - TITLE REPORTS PLUS RLE/MD
12/20/2005 3:22:21 PM (3353 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/20/2005 5:24:35 PM (3327 views)
Re: Just had to share! - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2005 8:15:58 PM (3361 views)

Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 9:33:30 PM (1818 views)

..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:22:15 PM (2799 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 2:49:46 PM (3557 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 2:56:42 PM (3592 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 3:06:59 PM (3673 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 3:43:50 PM (3601 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/19/2005 4:18:48 PM (3387 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/19/2005 5:05:15 PM (3409 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 6:24:59 PM (3525 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Robert Franco/OH
12/20/2005 10:11:41 AM (3396 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Ellen Malloy/MO
12/20/2005 12:15:08 PM (3708 views)
Re: ..unrecorded liens.... - Wendi See/SC
12/20/2005 9:50:31 PM (3690 views)

Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 1:49:54 PM (3699 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/18/2005 4:43:25 PM (5421 views)
Re: Attention Signing Agents - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/19/2005 8:24:21 AM (3598 views)

NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:27:06 PM (2464 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/17/2005 11:37:17 AM (5452 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:12:44 PM (3462 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/19/2005 8:28:15 AM (3425 views)
Re: NALTEA question - J Nisonger/CA
12/23/2005 3:47:03 AM (3417 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Jay Duncan/MO
12/23/2005 10:38:33 AM (3427 views)
Re: NALTEA question - Robert Franco/OH
12/23/2005 11:07:57 AM (3316 views)

Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:21:44 AM (2420 views)
Re: Home exchange - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:05:32 AM (3204 views)
Re: Home exchange - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:20:13 AM (3388 views)

Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/15/2005 10:00:03 AM (2591 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/15/2005 10:17:19 AM (3245 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2005 8:25:06 PM (3028 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:44:24 PM (2942 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 3:10:19 PM (2770 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/25/2006 4:47:30 PM (2786 views)
Age stereotyping - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2006 6:08:24 PM (2826 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
2/25/2006 10:41:45 PM (2830 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 8:49:11 PM (5123 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/15/2005 9:00:30 PM (3237 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/15/2005 9:28:17 PM (2870 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:23 AM (2933 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:44:05 AM (2851 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 8:00:24 AM (2784 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Steve Schneider/IN
12/16/2005 9:11:34 AM (2811 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:34:52 AM (2877 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 12:17:49 PM (2853 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:14:46 AM (2941 views)

J T

I am not sure why you are directing your response to me. I have not participated in this thread. As of late I have not been very active on SOT. However, now that you have brought me into the conversation, I will comment.
 
I have no problem with anyone running their business as they see fit. As far as low ball pricing is concerned, whether you can live with it or not depends largely on the region in which you operate. I am not sure how things are done in up state New York. In so far as southern New England is concerned, it is one of the most expensive areas of the country in which to live and operate a business. The problem is exacerbated by the political organization of Connecticut. We have no county government . All land records are recorded in the individual town halls...requiring much travel time on the road. Consequently, the price of gasoline is a major consideration in the pricing of your title search. If someone is charging $25 to $35.00 for a current owner search in this area, he has to be cutting corners somewhere else. What he gives up in the price of an individual search he needs make up in daily volume. In other words in order to cut his price by 50% he needs to double his daily output of work in order to break even. The town halls are open only 8 hours per day with a few exceptions. Some operate on a part time basis. It takes time to drive from one to another. How does one double his daily output of work without sacrificing quality? The time constraints alone do not allow it.

There is a particular business entity that has been critiqued on SOT because of its low pricing and difficult terms of service. I know of at least two searchers in this area that have thrown up their hands in disgust, and rejected further assignments because they could not prossibly provide the requested service at the low rate paid to them.

This was confirmed to me by one of the town clerks recently. She had observed a number of newbie searchers lately in the town of Wolcott, Ct. The town has recently installed a computer (not on line) to store its internal land records. She noticed the newbie searchers rushing in to perform their search on the computer without recourse to the written index, and rushing out the door to their next search. What the newbie searcher failed to consider is that the Town of Wolcott keeps its sewer liens in separate index not included in the computer index. The newbie searcher walked out the door to his next search without even considering the potential for encumbrances in the sewer lien index. The town of Wolcott, Ct is not alone. Because of the way Connecticut is organized, each town has its piculiarities with respect to the way each maintains its land records.

In so far as organizing abstractors into a union or forming their own abstracting/title company to preserve their interests...I have suggested these approaches at various times over the past 18 months. The suggestions met with mixed reviews either because of apathy or the financial inability of the individual searchers to come forward with the capital investment. Consequently, I do not see any remedy to the problem.
The issue will therefore only be rectified through the economic pressure to the market place. It will probably take several years before a determination is made as to whether the cut rate search, outsourced electronic search or the traditional brick and morter search is the most efficient.

In the case of my firm, we have never allowed abstracting to comprise an
unreasonably large portion of revenue. We are in the process of phasing out abstracting even further, and replacing the lost revenue with other more profitable areas of the real estate industry. We still maintain a limited list of abstracting clients who understand that quality costs a little more, and are willing to pay for the difference. We still accept new clients...but on our terms and at our prices.

As with all business in a free enterprise system the most efficient survives. The question is whether efficiency is determined by price or quality of service. If the searcher offering the $25 search can provide a quality product, he has won the game in the best American free enterprise tradition. He has invented the better mouse trap. Those that are unable to compete will need to find better ways to become competitive or find alternate lines of endeavor. Robert recently published an article in which he declared that this business is not longer profitable. He is right. If a searcher is limiting the services he markets to one service alone (abstracting) he is programmed for failure.

I really take offense at your posting. You have misstated my position in this matter.Do not ever condescendingly accuse me of viewing a free market system as an "infringement" on business or a "sour grapes" approach. I do see the death knell of the traditional abstractor approaching, and I have critized the V/M's, title companies and lenders for fostering an environment in which cheap price rather than quality of services was the preferred commodity. My counsel on this board has consistently been for its members to find better ways to compete... value added approach...form their own national/regional title companies...combine their abstracting with other services to lessen the impact of the low ball pricing.

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Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 6:20:34 AM (2885 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:47:16 PM (2938 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 2:48:03 PM (2935 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:48:10 PM (3003 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 3:57:38 PM (2947 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:05:18 AM (2822 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:59:50 PM (2750 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:49:46 PM (2675 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 10:04:56 AM (2882 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/16/2005 10:31:04 AM (2735 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/16/2005 11:03:18 AM (2769 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:14:43 AM (2709 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:06:02 PM (2725 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 11:17:23 AM (2783 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 11:27:18 AM (2716 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - David Bloys/TX
12/16/2005 12:29:43 PM (2715 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Robert Franco/OH
12/16/2005 12:39:46 PM (2797 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/16/2005 1:41:05 PM (2886 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/17/2005 10:31:49 AM (2824 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
12/17/2005 11:09:00 AM (2743 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:17:32 PM (2874 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/17/2005 3:33:58 PM (2793 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Rachel Malone/PA
12/18/2005 6:19:48 PM (2838 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:09:32 PM (2675 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 12:41:27 PM (2789 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/16/2005 5:20:17 PM (2716 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/17/2005 1:06:07 AM (2624 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:02:19 PM (2513 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
12/18/2005 9:02:14 AM (2675 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 7:17:41 PM (2527 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:51:15 PM (2493 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:19:19 AM (2499 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/24/2006 6:48:33 PM (2461 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
12/16/2005 1:10:58 PM (2626 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kurt deVries/FL
12/19/2005 11:18:50 AM (2674 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - J Nisonger/CA
12/19/2005 11:28:34 AM (2616 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Kathleen Krol/PA
12/19/2005 5:40:25 PM (2608 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/27/2006 12:11:07 PM (2387 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:07:48 PM (2493 views)
Re: Case in Point!! - Jason Sheppard/PA
2/27/2006 1:18:52 PM (2471 views)

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12/14/2005 4:25:35 PM (3068 views)


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