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[+] Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA (3 replies)
10/24/2005 12:06:20 AM (3251 views)

[+] Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO (6 replies)
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4446 views)

[+] Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL (4 replies)
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (3392 views)

[+] Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO (8 replies)
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4567 views)

[+] research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA (9 replies)
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3619 views)


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[-] QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA (35 replies)
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3648 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
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Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (6483 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (6567 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rachel Malone/PA
10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (6585 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (6534 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (6554 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (6223 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (6335 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (6453 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (6410 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (6430 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (6476 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (6555 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (6214 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (6379 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (6355 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (6285 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (6137 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:20:16 AM (5971 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (7820 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (6234 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/21/2005 1:14:46 PM (5951 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/23/2005 12:02:03 AM (6198 views)

This is a great subject that we all can benefit from. I have been waiting for a chance to comment on this.Let us consider the fact that almost every service provided in a settlement is linked to or a percentage factor of the selling price/loan amount. The RE commission, the Brokers commission, the title insurance commission. The settlement fees are pretty much set, but those that settle are usually linked to the title insurance anyway, as the prices of the houses go up, the loan amounts go up they all have a pay check that goes "up" ....EXCEPT those of us that are not linked in that fashion-I know here in Virginia ,title examination fees were a factor of the selling price a long time ago, back when the atty's were doing the searches them selves- they nixed that when abstractors took over and then the title insurance commission fees were taking the place of the money they gave up in that deal. It sure would be nice to go back to that. Would help us keep pace with everything without having to worry about the $25 CO searches. Lets say that the avg selling price is $250 K ( which is way low, but for these purposes-) and the title fee was $150.00- that would work out to a title fee of  0.0006 % (which just happens to be 1/100 of the prevailing RE commissions being charged in this part of the country -         $15000.00-) a small price to pay for what they are getting. Let me hear some feedback on this. Will be hard to implement it , I am sure, but at least it would be in line with everything else in the settlement process.

Now on to the fees that are being paid/charged for the title work. Please take some time to read section 8 of RESPA. It clearly defines who should be paid what- If you charge $150.00 for a search- that is what should show up on lines 1102 or 1103 of the HUD. If it is different, then that company that charged the extra amount is supposed to have performed what is preferred to as "core title" work, which is what we do, not a vendor.Here is where the other additional facts comes into play, if they are charging more for what you did, then they are required to carry liability insurance for the difference and are liable for that same percentage of any claim that might arise. There are a number of complications that enter into the situation as a result of the extra charges at this point. First, it is a violation of section 8 and there are sizable fines for doing this..I have contacted HUD and inquired about this practice and they have concurred that these are violations. It seems like most of the title companies just prefer to "look the other way" when doing their audits of the agents and they even do the same thing on in-house settlements. Of course their employees are not able to make any claims like this, but those of us that are independent can do so. I have seen HUD's from some companies that I know only pay $75 per search show $350.00 on both lines 1102 & 1103- that is $700.00 for something they pay $75 for- but, they are then liable for about 90% of any claim that might occur, but I am quite sure they do not know this aspect of this price gouging that is occurring right now.(this company is now on notice that they should stop this practice I would hope-as they solicit companies here on SOT)Oh, and according to HUD , these violations are each subject to $10,000 fines which is another thing they expose themselves to also.

We read on here almost every month about some company or title agent being fined by HUD for RESPA violations-kickbacks, etc. This is just another form of what they are looking into.

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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/23/2005 6:30:34 AM (6079 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/23/2005 1:55:15 PM (6187 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/24/2005 6:42:19 AM (5983 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
10/23/2005 9:31:18 PM (6019 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:45:42 AM (6031 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jacqueline Quaresimo/PA
10/29/2005 3:55:31 PM (5597 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
10/23/2005 7:43:10 PM (6109 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Bill Jones/NJ
10/24/2005 7:06:57 PM (6040 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
10/24/2005 8:33:51 PM (5933 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:32:09 PM (5745 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:23:52 PM (6080 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/25/2005 6:11:22 PM (6018 views)

[+] This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH (21 replies)
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3677 views)

[+] New member of Phoenix Document Service! - Kurt deVries/FL (10 replies)
10/17/2005 4:50:18 PM (3587 views)

[+] LENDERS SERVICES DIRECT TULSA, OK - Becky Kale/IL (4 replies)
10/17/2005 2:22:31 PM (3565 views)

[+] Okay, another question. - Tammy Knight/MO (4 replies)
10/16/2005 10:18:06 PM (3388 views)

[+] Fed up! - Spencer Kinsey/AR (5 replies)
10/15/2005 12:36:11 PM (3482 views)

[+] indexing - Douglas Gallant/OH (6 replies)
10/15/2005 12:31:46 PM (3248 views)

Questions about VMC's - Donna Grady/NC
10/14/2005 10:32:19 PM (2703 views)

[+] Anyone heard of this company.... - Loretta Reed/MD (1 reply)
10/14/2005 1:16:42 PM (3436 views)

[+] A word about prices... - Robert Franco/OH (5 replies)
10/13/2005 5:40:44 PM (3787 views)


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