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e-mail solicitation - christine/MA
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QUESTION FOR F. LEE... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUESTION FOR F. LEE... - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUESTION FOR F. LEE... - Jay Duncan/MO
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C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Re: C2C - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Re: C2C - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: C2C - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: C2C - Barbara Bennett/IN
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The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 3:04:25 PM (3209 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - george Hubka/MI
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 11:36:45 PM (4075 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
10/28/2005 11:55:35 AM (4129 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/30/2005 3:36:45 AM (4048 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
10/30/2005 4:15:44 PM (6039 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/31/2005 11:18:07 AM (4143 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/31/2005 6:53:37 PM (4072 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/1/2005 10:00:35 AM (4056 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/1/2005 11:33:33 PM (4020 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - J Nisonger/CA
11/2/2005 4:42:30 AM (3988 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/2/2005 9:41:53 AM (5760 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 3:15:16 AM (4061 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 10:08:57 AM (5771 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 10:51:28 AM (4071 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 11:05:37 AM (3996 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
11/3/2005 12:09:46 PM (3980 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 12:58:57 PM (3935 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
11/3/2005 1:51:58 PM (4005 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 2:16:46 PM (3934 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:31:39 PM (4004 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:31:40 PM (3924 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:34:10 PM (3957 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 5:09:11 PM (3980 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:42:30 PM (3914 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 6:01:28 PM (3870 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 6:29:59 PM (3955 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Douglas Gallant/OH
11/3/2005 6:52:44 PM (3942 views)

Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 9:58:43 AM (2744 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 10:16:46 AM (5632 views)
Re: Electronic storage - David Bloys/TX
10/27/2005 12:10:20 PM (5742 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 12:10:48 PM (5611 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 12:17:05 PM (3939 views)
Re: Electronic storage - David Bloys/TX
10/27/2005 12:24:20 PM (3936 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
10/27/2005 1:05:46 PM (6004 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 3:58:05 PM (4029 views)


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Starting your own business - Angela Glass/MD
10/25/2005 8:49:48 PM (2905 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Starting your own business - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Starting your own business - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Starting your own business - george Hubka/MI
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Passing... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/24/2005 3:24:08 PM (2884 views)
Re: Passing... - Scott Perry/PA
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Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
10/24/2005 10:19:12 AM (3866 views)
Re: Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - Heather St. Amant/LA
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Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/24/2005 12:06:20 AM (2917 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/24/2005 9:37:58 AM (4358 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
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Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4071 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
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10/24/2005 1:26:33 AM (4839 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Deborah Manion/VA
10/24/2005 9:20:18 AM (4453 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 11:23:40 AM (4379 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:33:41 PM (4392 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:45:40 PM (4369 views)

Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (2991 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 4:15:36 PM (4837 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 4:23:57 PM (4732 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Here we go again!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/23/2005 3:54:46 PM (4569 views)

Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4112 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/21/2005 6:07:31 PM (4543 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 6:23:54 PM (4543 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:14:44 PM (4883 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/21/2005 9:38:21 PM (4871 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/22/2005 8:06:58 AM (4628 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 10:35:54 AM (4646 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/22/2005 11:57:06 AM (4613 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 12:01:35 PM (4532 views)

research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3156 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 8:07:53 AM (5218 views)
Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 12:44:12 PM (5234 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 1:04:37 PM (5224 views)
Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
10/28/2005 8:30:14 AM (4890 views)
Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (5123 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (5146 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (4925 views)

QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3265 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/19/2005 11:29:36 PM (4793 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (4748 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (4825 views)
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10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (4812 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (4737 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (4837 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (5174 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (4956 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (4758 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (4721 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (4722 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (4715 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (4827 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (4804 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (4632 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (4610 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (4625 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (4610 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:20:16 AM (4570 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:29:25 AM (6165 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 3:15:39 PM (4471 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
10/23/2005 12:02:03 AM (4468 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/23/2005 6:30:34 AM (4367 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
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Re: QUICK POLL - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3282 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (4693 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (5855 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (4584 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (5695 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 10:59:30 AM (4417 views)

Patrick,
Thank you for this well thought out post. In some ways you have clarified my thoughts.
On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own
I agree. But not all VM's do this or accept it. Some VM's have come to realize that online access threatens their greatest asset. An asset they have spent years to develop, promote and expand. A VM's exclusive network of independent local abstractors is the greater benefit they offer their clients. Online records threaten the VM's as much as they threaten independent local abstractors.

VM's I have spoken with are as much against online publication of the records as I am and for the same reasons. Many have told their abstractors not to use online sources and some even put this mandate on their orders. Their reasons are not always stated but it is clear they do not want abstractors to use this "tool".

I"ve seen posts here on SOT indicating E&O is denied to those using online sources. The providers concern is the accuracy of the source which cannot be verified until it is too late. Online sites exclude themselves from any responsibilty for accuracy, timeliness or reliability. Statutes deny this disclaimer for the records held at the courthouse. Searching online is an error that may not be covered by your E&O.

But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless
I haven't called for any boycott Patrick. Our clients,  E&O providers, and many legislators are.

I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.
I didn't lump them together Patrick. The Internet and those who publish the records online do. Some claim they separate them with passwords but it is a very ineffective separation. Choicepoint made this claim but it was laughably easy to circumvent. Even the most diligent password protection is nothing more than a padlock on a paper box. If it's on the Web it's available to every malevalent or legitimate user with a computer connection.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.
This is also true. Only a local abstractor and the online company would know. Local abstractors can make this claim but they do so at their own risk if it is counter to the claim made in the online companies TOS or disclaimer. Your report cannot be more or less accurate than your source. If a claim is made, the abstractors report will be checked against the records at the courthouse.

Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.
I'm not concerned about the fees you charge. You are not my competition Patrick. My fees are based on the time and difficulty of the search in any particular county and I am certain yours are too. You have no access to the courthouses in my area and only one county provides online access to some of it's records. You shouldn't concern yourself with my fees either. While I could provide my services in your area as both you and John have assured me the online records are even better than those offered at your local courthouse. I would consider it unethical on my part to invade your business via the Internet. You made this same assurance to the $25 abstractor looking for accurate online sources and to foreign outsource companies looking for more U.S. records to exploit. Both monitor this site and now they can reassure their clients of your endorsement.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary. 
My voice is being heard Patrick by those who tell me they have the power to make changes. I consult with legislators, government officials, law enforcement agencies, reporters, and associations at local, state and federal levels. I assist them in their own investigations and provide them with information they need to protect their citizens. At first, I had to go to them but now many are coming to me. Last week I was contacted by two federal agencies, eleven county officials, two attorneys, and two technology firms. They learned about my efforts  from officials and legislators as far away as Michigan and Alaska. I think my voice is being heard by those who can and are affecting change.

I didn't take your comments personally Patrick. Well, actually I did take the complimentary ones personally. :) I want you and John to know also I meant no disrespect of your company. While I responded to Johns post, my reference to "naivity" and "blind greed" was not intended to be directed at him or you personally. The blind greed reference was intended for those who make the records available online for a profit and those who buy their way into your market through online access. Neither of these groups have any respect for your company.

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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (4438 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
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