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QUESTION FOR F. LEE... - Scott Perry/PA
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C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
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Re: C2C - Smitty Strickland/SC
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The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - george Hubka/MI
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Future of the Industry - LAWANDA MCMILLIAN/AR
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jason Sheppard/PA
10/31/2005 11:18:07 AM (4143 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Lisa Ramsey/TX
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/1/2005 10:00:35 AM (4056 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/1/2005 11:33:33 PM (4020 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 10:08:57 AM (5771 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 11:05:37 AM (3995 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 12:58:57 PM (3934 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Patrick Scott/IL
11/3/2005 1:51:58 PM (4005 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Jay Duncan/MO
11/3/2005 2:16:46 PM (3934 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:31:39 PM (4004 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
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Re: The Future of the Industry - Langdon Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:34:10 PM (3957 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 5:09:11 PM (3979 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 5:42:30 PM (3914 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Robert Franco/OH
11/3/2005 6:01:28 PM (3870 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Tammy Knight/MO
11/3/2005 6:29:59 PM (3954 views)
Re: The Future of the Industry - Douglas Gallant/OH
11/3/2005 6:52:44 PM (3942 views)

Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 9:58:43 AM (2744 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Jay Duncan/MO
10/27/2005 10:16:46 AM (5632 views)
Re: Electronic storage - David Bloys/TX
10/27/2005 12:10:20 PM (5742 views)
Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Electronic storage - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Electronic storage - Deborah Manion/VA
10/27/2005 3:58:05 PM (4029 views)


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Starting your own business - Angela Glass/MD
10/25/2005 8:49:48 PM (2905 views)
Re: Starting your own business - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Starting your own business - Loretta Reed/MD
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Re: Starting your own business - george Hubka/MI
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Passing... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/24/2005 3:24:08 PM (2884 views)
Re: Passing... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Passing... - Kurt deVries/FL
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Abstractors Aid In New Orleans' Recovery - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
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Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Hey Kurt! - J Nisonger/CA
10/25/2005 10:43:14 PM (4255 views)
Re: Hey Kurt! - Kurt deVries/FL
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Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
10/23/2005 10:43:57 PM (4071 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 11:23:40 AM (4378 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Scott Perry/PA
10/24/2005 9:33:41 PM (4392 views)
Re: Whine, whine, whine... - Patrick Scott/IL
10/24/2005 10:45:40 PM (4368 views)

Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 3:38:08 PM (2991 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 4:15:36 PM (4837 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kurt deVries/FL
10/21/2005 4:23:57 PM (4732 views)
Re: Here we go again!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Here we go again!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
10/23/2005 3:54:46 PM (4569 views)

Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/21/2005 10:35:01 AM (4112 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/21/2005 6:07:31 PM (4543 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/21/2005 7:14:44 PM (4883 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Douglas Gallant/OH
10/21/2005 9:38:21 PM (4871 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Smitty Strickland/SC
10/22/2005 8:06:58 AM (4628 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 10:35:54 AM (4645 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Jay Duncan/MO
10/22/2005 11:57:06 AM (4613 views)
Re: Code of Ethics - Scott Perry/PA
10/22/2005 12:01:35 PM (4532 views)

research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
10/20/2005 4:54:52 AM (3156 views)
Re: research time? - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
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Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: research time? - GORDON TINSLEY/CA
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Re: research time? - Phyllis Agan/GA
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Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 12:13:25 PM (5123 views)
Re: research time? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: research time? - David Jenkins/PA
10/20/2005 1:08:11 PM (5146 views)
Re: research time? - Lisa Scherer/NJ
10/24/2005 11:04:35 PM (4925 views)

QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
10/19/2005 9:55:01 PM (3265 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - James "Lin" Toney/MS
10/19/2005 11:29:36 PM (4792 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 12:24:37 AM (4748 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - NPC/GA
10/20/2005 7:03:23 AM (4825 views)
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10/20/2005 7:48:08 AM (4812 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kim Cowles/WI
10/20/2005 8:29:16 AM (4737 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Deborah Manion/VA
10/20/2005 9:37:31 AM (4837 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wanda Steudel/OH
10/20/2005 9:38:52 AM (5174 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 10:21:32 AM (4956 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Patrick Scott/IL
10/20/2005 10:37:13 AM (4758 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - John OConnor/IL
10/20/2005 10:43:36 AM (4720 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 10:46:43 AM (4721 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Michaela Urban/OH
10/20/2005 10:55:00 AM (4714 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Kurt deVries/FL
10/20/2005 1:08:40 PM (4826 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Rebecca Barney/FL
10/20/2005 1:26:50 PM (4803 views)
THANKS, EVERYONE! - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2005 5:22:43 PM (4632 views)
Re: THANKS, EVERYONE! - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2005 5:51:06 PM (4610 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Wendi See/SC
10/20/2005 10:26:17 PM (4625 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Tammy Knight/MO
10/20/2005 11:37:10 PM (4609 views)
Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Jay Duncan/MO
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Re: QUICK POLL - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: QUICK POLL - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Re: QUICK POLL - Anne Gilbert/VT
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Re: QUICK POLL - Donna Grady/NC
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This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
10/18/2005 9:57:44 AM (3282 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
10/18/2005 10:44:27 AM (4693 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - John OConnor/IL
10/18/2005 12:21:30 PM (4601 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/18/2005 7:02:55 PM (5855 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/19/2005 8:15:48 AM (4584 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
10/19/2005 12:51:25 PM (5694 views)

David,

I think that your fierce opposition to exploitation of on-line records by thieves and foreigners may be clouding your view of the emerging realities of this business.  I think that most of us who produce abstracts share your concern.  I know that I do.  There is another reason to hate on-line records -- one that is not as often mentioned as the quality issues and the identity theft dangers, all valid issues:  On-line access hurts our business.  It allows a VM to bypass us on the simple work and only send us the work that they can't accomplish on their own.

I have known John OConnor for 16 years and have worked for his company for 9 of them.  I can say with some confidence that your remarks about "being taken in" by on-line access and "naivety or short-sighted greed" are way off of the mark.

John's company took an enormous hit when our home county went on-line.  The revenue lost from just one VM was staggering.  Walking the three blocks to the recorder's office is certainly no hardship, so you can see why it would be in the company's best interest for on-line access to vanish, even if it does provide us with some conveniences.

In some cases, on-line records are actually better than the official courthouse records.  One might be better off purchasing title plant records on-line than visiting a courthouse where the records are mismanaged and/or widely misposted.  Consider:  Most Clerks/Recorders/Registrars offices are run by polititions who know or care little about this industry.  Often the position is used as a stepping stone to a higher office.  Title plants are run by people who know and have a vested interest in the industry (with the possible exception of those companies in India that I have been reading alot about lately).  If using title plant records on-line (of equal or greater quality than the courthouse records) happens to be more cost-effective and efficient than driving 100 miles to complete 1 or 2 orders, then a wise business person would regard the option as a viable, available tool.

Using on-line records and document access, in conjunction with on-site records, can also offer an opportunity to cross-reference and pick up instruments misposted in one or the other set of records, or may offer an opportunity to search records in a more efficient manner.  Searching through separate books for each type of instrument is probably the least efficient method ever devised of searching land records.  Title plants have for years posted information by legal description, reducing the chances that the instruments that you seek will be lost in a sea of names. 

As to the cut-throat pricing, John's company does not engage in the practice.  I know this to be true because I am the one who sets the prices in most cases.  We have been forced to lower prices from time to time, I will concede.  But this has always been reactionary to the market and not to lowball business away from our fellow abstractors.  Fact is, David, our fee for a current owner search in our home county is higher than yours is in your home county.

I have been reading your posts in this forum for long enough to know that you are not one to sit around and whine when things happen to affect you and your business adversely, David.  You, perhaps more than anybody else who contributes here, get up and do something about it.  I don't think, however, that lumping malevalent use of on-line records with legitimate use is productive.  They are separate issues completely.  If on-line access goes away, I will be right there with you cheering its demise.  So will John, I would bet.  But boycotting its available value while it's here is, I think, senseless.

If you want your voice to be heard by those who have the power to make changes that will benefit our industry, a unified voice is necessary.  There is power in numbers.  A couple of years ago, some people who were posting on this site at the time made a tremendous effort to provide that power through NALTEA.  Perhaps if more of us who spend so much time lamenting our business woes on SOT would join together in this organization to create the power of numbers, rather than sit around and wait for others to do it, we could have some positive effect on the industry and, thus, our own careers. 

Again, David, I know that you are one of the doers, one of the volunteers, that make this country great.  This is not personal.





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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Michaela Urban/OH
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - David Bloys/TX
10/20/2005 11:13:59 AM (4438 views)
Re: Oh, One More Thing, David... - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - george Hubka/MI
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Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Jeanne Mendes/CA
10/27/2005 1:50:55 AM (4224 views)
Re: This has been bugging me . . . - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/28/2005 8:53:09 AM (4218 views)


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