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ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 8:30:21 AM (2444 views)
Re: ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2006 10:53:45 AM (3150 views)
Re: ATLA Tech Forum April 30 - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 1:43:16 PM (3293 views)

Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 2:28:45 AM (3554 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2006 8:09:08 AM (3173 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - George Booth/OH
4/11/2006 8:30:52 AM (3159 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/11/2006 10:52:14 AM (3322 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Robert Franco/OH
4/11/2006 11:57:59 AM (3355 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Patrick Scott/IL
4/11/2006 12:40:14 PM (3341 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 5:15:23 PM (3198 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Jay Duncan/MO
4/11/2006 5:21:35 PM (3175 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - joy doyle/NY
4/11/2006 7:40:06 PM (3164 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/11/2006 9:42:51 PM (5643 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - joy doyle/NY
4/13/2006 1:21:07 AM (3201 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - David Bloys/TX
4/13/2006 7:47:59 AM (3144 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - J Nisonger/CA
4/12/2006 2:02:33 AM (3261 views)
Re: Online records report named Investigative Report of the Year - Wanda Steudel/OH
4/12/2006 12:22:54 PM (3145 views)
Way to Go, Dave!! - Scott Perry/PA
4/12/2006 4:53:24 PM (3199 views)

Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Jim Riggs/IN
4/10/2006 6:51:32 PM (2497 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Kim Cowles/WI
4/10/2006 8:40:53 PM (3358 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/17/2006 7:00:31 AM (3203 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Shannon Finnessy/WI
4/17/2006 12:54:28 PM (3296 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Tammy Knight/MO
4/18/2006 11:16:13 PM (3222 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Jim Riggs/IN
4/20/2006 8:37:06 PM (3147 views)
Re: Anyone heard of "Exclusive Settlement Services"? - Walter Swinehart/PA
5/30/2006 9:34:14 AM (3265 views)

Michigan Land Title agency - Ellen Maher/MI
4/10/2006 3:28:33 PM (2040 views)

SPOTLIGHT: Bill Garrett - Robert Franco/OH
4/10/2006 3:19:32 PM (1954 views)


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Ex-employee steals from Real Property Resources-Part 2 - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
4/10/2006 12:02:18 PM (1957 views)

A Thank You - Wanda Steudel/OH
4/7/2006 4:07:23 PM (2393 views)
Re: A Thank You - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2006 5:56:29 PM (2922 views)

reimbursement for mileage/gas - Deborah Manion/VA
4/7/2006 3:56:18 PM (2427 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Robert Franco/OH
4/7/2006 5:52:21 PM (3038 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/7/2006 8:25:27 PM (3112 views)
Re: reimbursement for mileage/gas - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/8/2006 10:04:48 AM (3005 views)

HUD-1's and fees - Robert Breakell/CT
4/3/2006 6:22:58 PM (2572 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Shannon Blatt/VA
4/3/2006 9:10:13 PM (3008 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/4/2006 8:07:44 AM (2987 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/4/2006 1:09:22 PM (3110 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/5/2006 10:27:32 AM (3051 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/5/2006 11:31:29 AM (3024 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/5/2006 11:32:53 AM (2989 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Robert Breakell/CT
4/5/2006 5:35:23 PM (2955 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/5/2006 7:30:51 PM (2992 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 12:50:27 PM (2952 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - George Booth/OH
4/7/2006 11:08:37 PM (3023 views)
Re: HUD-1's and fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/8/2006 9:58:17 AM (3002 views)

LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/3/2006 8:56:03 AM (2434 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Robert Breakell/CT
4/3/2006 1:13:49 PM (3060 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Vikki Moffitt/GA
4/5/2006 8:59:30 AM (3067 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/6/2006 10:53:19 AM (2929 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/5/2006 10:28:34 AM (2958 views)
Re: LLC's...Operating Agreements - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/5/2006 10:39:13 AM (2940 views)

Anyone familiar with a company named Source Title Solutions, Inc. ? - Joseph Weaver/VA
4/1/2006 6:47:51 PM (2152 views)

Practicing Law - Ricky Farrow/FL
3/29/2006 9:21:10 PM (2474 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/6/2006 7:09:18 AM (3320 views)
CT & VT Recording Alike - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
4/6/2006 8:53:11 AM (3117 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 8:59:15 AM (3066 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 1:06:21 PM (3025 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 4:26:33 PM (3118 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Anne Gilbert/VT
4/6/2006 4:45:31 PM (3178 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/6/2006 4:46:05 PM (3120 views)
Re: Practicing Law - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
4/6/2006 10:33:51 PM (3093 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/7/2006 5:24:26 AM (3019 views)
Re: Practicing Law - Lisa Ramsey/TX
4/7/2006 11:07:47 AM (3026 views)

Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/29/2006 9:21:37 AM (2522 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - George Booth/OH
3/29/2006 10:26:24 AM (3048 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/29/2006 10:34:56 AM (3153 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - George Booth/OH
3/29/2006 9:25:03 PM (3045 views)
Re: Once you are licensed then whats next? - Christine Sheeler/PA
3/30/2006 11:10:40 AM (3025 views)

Business 101 - Robert Franco/OH
3/28/2006 1:01:49 PM (2052 views)

Federal Tax Lien question - Kim Cowles/WI
3/28/2006 9:16:59 AM (2558 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - George Booth/OH
3/28/2006 9:48:04 AM (3328 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Ricky Farrow/FL
3/28/2006 3:13:52 PM (3169 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Robert Franco/OH
3/28/2006 4:12:57 PM (3328 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Jay Duncan/MO
3/28/2006 10:35:50 PM (3181 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Scott Perry/PA
3/28/2006 11:32:53 PM (3143 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Helene/GA
3/29/2006 1:01:49 AM (3133 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/29/2006 8:13:08 AM (3196 views)

It is the abstractor's job to report which liens, mortgages, etc. encumber the title to a property only. When I was doing title searches I normally dealt with the issue of tax liens, mechanic's liens and other time barred encumbrances as follows:
 
     1.   If there was a release specifically addressing the lien, the lien was not listed in the abstract as an encumbrance. 

     2.   If the lien was not released or not expired it was listed as an encumbrance. 

     3.   If the lien was not released, but there was some question as to whether the lien was expired or renewed, the lien was listed as a potential encumbrance to the extent that it was not expired or otherwise released, and a notation was made in the abstract that further inquiry should be made as to the current status of the lien.

It is not the abstractor's  function to make judgment calls in questionable situations. Remember, you are only getting paid $50.00 or less for a current owner search, possibly driving 25-30 miles to a town hall at your expense to perform the search , or possibly you are one of the abstractors being asked to reduce your price and include the cost of the copies in return for nothing from the client. Why should the abstractor incur the liability of making this determination? Scott is right. Someone else is being paid the big bucks to make this determination. Let him know the potential encumbrance is there, and let him earn his fee.

Before I issue a title insurance policy, I want to know the current status of potential problems rather than run the risk of insuring over a problem. When I am confronted with the problem of a possibly time barred lien, I list it as an exception to coverage until the property owner produces a copy of a duly recorded release.

When you can have the absolute release of the lien why rely on a time limitation which may or may not mave been renewed, the renewal or release may have been recorded out of the chain of title, or which may have been tolled (extended) for some reason. Even if it has not properly been tolled, arguments can be made for it which require a ruling of the court, and you have to go to the trouble and expense to defend. It is a drop in the bucket to the taxing authority if they are ruled wrong. I know of someone locally that got into a dispute with the IRS. He appealed all the way through the courts, and finally was driven out of business only to have the IRS finally concede that he was right.

I am very pleased when an  abstractor has brought a potential problem to my attention. It gives me the peace of mind of insisting on a release of the lien.

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Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kim Cowles/WI
3/29/2006 8:49:39 AM (3105 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Brad McCollom/IN
3/29/2006 6:11:07 AM (5175 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Danielle Nelson/WI
3/29/2006 2:31:31 PM (3117 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
3/30/2006 9:10:26 AM (3045 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Jeanne Johnson/FL
4/3/2006 2:27:09 PM (3142 views)
Re: Federal Tax Lien question - Kristi Lee/NE
4/10/2006 11:54:33 AM (2993 views)


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