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Jim Girardi - Jay Duncan/MO
7/6/2006 4:46:34 PM (3000 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Jim Girardi/NY
7/6/2006 9:41:14 PM (3742 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2006 11:54:19 AM (3912 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Jay K/MD
7/8/2006 10:58:53 AM (3787 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Kurt deVries/FL
7/10/2006 11:02:11 AM (3798 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Jim Girardi/NY
7/11/2006 11:07:18 PM (3552 views)
Re: Jim Girardi - Jay K/MD
7/21/2006 2:07:16 AM (3533 views)

Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Matt Papsch/MD
7/6/2006 3:50:45 PM (2942 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Mason Haas/NY
7/6/2006 8:17:00 PM (3941 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2006 8:28:27 PM (4037 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Matt Papsch/MD
7/6/2006 9:45:58 PM (3607 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Scott Perry/PA
7/6/2006 10:42:27 PM (3757 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2006 11:59:40 AM (4049 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Matt Papsch/MD
7/7/2006 12:07:24 PM (3990 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Scott Perry/PA
7/7/2006 8:55:57 PM (4046 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/8/2006 7:43:21 AM (3843 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Scott Perry/PA
7/8/2006 11:16:00 AM (3669 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2006 5:20:43 AM (3737 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Scott Perry/PA
7/9/2006 1:59:26 PM (3872 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2006 11:58:00 AM (3943 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Matt Papsch/MD
7/7/2006 12:01:57 PM (3766 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2006 12:13:42 PM (3868 views)
Re: Trip fees- Multiple recordings- One for the independent abstractors - Scott Perry/PA
7/8/2006 11:31:18 AM (3811 views)

Contemporary Realty - Eboni/VA
7/6/2006 11:01:52 AM (3019 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Danielle Nelson/WI
7/6/2006 12:08:40 PM (4090 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - David Bloys/TX
7/6/2006 9:06:58 PM (3876 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Lori Cassidy/CT
7/12/2006 3:16:45 PM (3750 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Dorothy Payne/NY
7/12/2006 11:48:43 PM (3705 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Elisa Butler/PA
7/13/2006 10:54:20 PM (3778 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Jim Girardi/NY
7/18/2006 9:16:39 AM (3662 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Jay Duncan/MO
7/18/2006 9:36:59 AM (3624 views)
Re: Contemporary Realty - Jim Girardi/NY
7/18/2006 12:13:49 PM (3642 views)

Commercial Search Fees - Wendi See/SC
7/6/2006 10:53:35 AM (3199 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
7/6/2006 6:01:17 PM (3960 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Wendi See/SC
7/6/2006 9:43:38 PM (3895 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
7/8/2006 4:10:04 PM (3882 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Wendi See/SC
7/8/2006 8:33:34 PM (3861 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/10/2006 9:02:09 PM (3742 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Robert Franco/OH
7/7/2006 12:05:37 PM (4035 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Smitty Strickland/SC
7/8/2006 4:17:21 PM (3813 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Robb Grandon/OH
7/8/2006 6:06:38 PM (3881 views)
Re: Commercial Search Fees - Sandra Morton/KS
7/10/2006 9:56:33 AM (3832 views)

NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Michael /KS
7/5/2006 6:46:27 PM (3167 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Loretta Reed/MD
7/6/2006 8:34:57 AM (4139 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Angelica Schneider/IN
7/6/2006 8:18:51 PM (3741 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Shannon Blatt/VA
7/7/2006 7:39:41 PM (3954 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Robb Grandon/OH
7/8/2006 6:12:39 PM (3751 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/9/2006 5:29:26 AM (3969 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - Jill Kissell/IA
7/10/2006 2:08:43 PM (3649 views)
Nationwide.... - Michael Toebe/KS
7/11/2006 5:59:33 PM (3661 views)
Re: NATIONWIDE APPRAISAL... - JOSEPH MARTINEZ/NM
7/11/2006 6:00:07 PM (3699 views)
yes, gas prices.. - Michael Toebe/KS
7/11/2006 6:23:00 PM (3894 views)
Re: yes, gas prices.. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/11/2006 6:52:02 PM (3663 views)
Re: yes, gas prices.. - Robert Franco/OH
7/11/2006 11:08:22 PM (3726 views)
Re: yes, gas prices.. - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/12/2006 7:18:44 AM (3710 views)
Re: yes, gas prices.. - Lisa Ramsey/TX
7/13/2006 10:17:19 AM (3788 views)




I think I'm done consulting...... - George Booth/OH
7/5/2006 4:51:02 PM (3087 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - Rachel Malone/PA
7/5/2006 7:10:09 PM (3912 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2006 11:53:16 AM (3673 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - Rachel Malone/PA
7/7/2006 12:43:24 PM (3787 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2006 12:50:49 PM (3911 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - Rachel Malone/PA
7/7/2006 1:07:33 PM (3811 views)
Re: I think I'm done consulting...... - George Booth/OH
7/5/2006 7:36:13 PM (4045 views)

PROPERTY DOCUMENT NETWORK - ANDREW MOLLER/CT
7/5/2006 3:22:19 PM (2892 views)
Re: PROPERTY DOCUMENT NETWORK - Kurt deVries/FL
7/7/2006 12:00:28 PM (3711 views)

How do you build your title search business through out your state - Margaret Tobin/NC
7/5/2006 1:38:41 AM (2841 views)
Re: How do you build your title search business through out your state - Angelica Schneider/IN
7/5/2006 8:47:07 AM (4011 views)

Liability over 1M? - Nathan Miller/KY
7/2/2006 8:47:16 PM (3112 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Julie Jasiunas/WI
7/2/2006 10:37:23 PM (3944 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/3/2006 5:30:40 AM (3916 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Scott Perry/PA
7/3/2006 9:37:24 AM (4506 views)

Hey, F. Lee!

Good to hear from you again!  There were a couple of recent cases dealing with this issue, one of which I believe was reported here on Source of Title.

In Express Financial Services v. Gateway Abstract, Inc., (Monroe County, PA, 2004), the court held that an abstract company’s liability is limited to amount of the fee, even where that limit appears only on the abstract comany's invoice, and there is no pre-existing agreement between the parties.

Furthermore, in Puget Sound Financial, LLC v. Unisearch, Inc., (2006), the Supreme Court of Washington State unanimously upheld the validity of language printed on a UCC search company's invoice which limited the search company's liability to the cost of the search, in this case, $25.00.

In the Unisearch case, the court's decision was based on a three-pronged rationale, 1) that trade usage and course of dealing are "appropriate evidentiary doctrines for determining the terms of a non- or partially integrated agreement, including one that began as an oral contract", 2) a liability limitation between commercial parties with a history of trade usage or course of dealing is not unconscionable, and 3) that even in the absence of a history of trade usage or dealing, such a term is not unconscionable if the exclusionary language is conspicuous and both parties have a chance to review it.

What I found most interesting about this case is that by using the term "conspicuous", the Court did not require that the liability limitation "stand out", but that the language be treated comparably to other terms of the agreement.  As a practical matter, the issue would then become whether or not the language is "buried in the fine print"; or, whether or not the limitation language is as conspicuous as other terms in the rest of the contract.

Speaking of disclaimers, to anyone else reading this, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.  I am simply having a discussion with my good buddy, F. Lee Ahern, so don't rely on any of the above as legal advice.  Get a lawyer.

Regards,
Scott Perry

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Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/3/2006 10:29:28 AM (4364 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Ricky Farrow/FL
7/3/2006 11:30:28 AM (4221 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/3/2006 12:15:31 PM (4187 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Robert Franco/OH
7/3/2006 12:46:51 PM (4366 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Scott Perry/PA
7/3/2006 3:19:00 PM (4133 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Mason Haas/NY
7/3/2006 3:12:57 PM (3998 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/3/2006 3:39:11 PM (4234 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Ricky Farrow/FL
7/3/2006 6:07:26 PM (4236 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/4/2006 6:47:02 AM (4268 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Robert Franco/OH
7/4/2006 2:37:56 PM (4175 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Ricky Farrow/FL
7/4/2006 11:23:56 PM (3992 views)
Re: Liability over 1M? - Kevin Ahern/CT
7/5/2006 5:46:04 AM (4128 views)

Copy Fees - Julie Jasiunas/WI
6/29/2006 4:44:16 PM (2888 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Scott Perry/PA
6/29/2006 5:07:31 PM (3799 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Mason Haas/NY
6/29/2006 6:51:50 PM (3956 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Wendi See/SC
6/29/2006 9:10:36 PM (3946 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Angelica Schneider/IN
6/30/2006 9:19:37 AM (3775 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Brad McCollom/IN
6/30/2006 4:48:29 PM (3643 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Michaela Urban/OH
7/3/2006 6:19:20 PM (3971 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Robb Grandon/OH
7/8/2006 6:32:08 PM (3814 views)
Re: Copy Fees - Scott Perry/PA
7/8/2006 11:24:03 PM (3675 views)

Are title agencies in trouble? - Mason Haas/NY
6/29/2006 8:08:03 AM (3169 views)
Re: Are title agencies in trouble? - David Bloys/TX
6/29/2006 9:21:16 AM (5287 views)
Re: Are title agencies in trouble? - J Nisonger/CA
7/1/2006 12:33:56 AM (3936 views)
Re: Are title agencies in trouble? - David Bloys/TX
7/1/2006 1:35:46 AM (5292 views)

Quick Question?? - Michaela Urban/OH
6/28/2006 9:54:50 PM (2942 views)
Re: Quick Question?? - Barbara Bennett/IN
6/28/2006 10:04:51 PM (3950 views)
Re: Quick Question?? - Jay Duncan/MO
6/28/2006 10:50:06 PM (3891 views)
Re: Quick Question?? - Wanda Steudel/OH
6/29/2006 9:33:28 AM (3884 views)
Re: Quick Question?? - Michaela Urban/OH
7/3/2006 6:11:35 PM (3998 views)

Bringdown or Update - Margaret Tobin/NC
6/28/2006 6:59:29 PM (3015 views)
Re: Bringdown or Update - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2006 8:10:48 PM (4074 views)
Re: Bringdown or Update - Margaret Tobin/NC
6/29/2006 8:51:35 AM (4083 views)
Re: Bringdown or Update - Wendi See/SC
6/29/2006 10:43:10 AM (4044 views)

Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - George Booth/OH
6/28/2006 12:18:28 PM (3997 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2006 12:52:59 PM (4045 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - George Booth/OH
6/28/2006 1:15:05 PM (4048 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - Jan Forster/NC
6/28/2006 1:18:09 PM (3903 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - George Booth/OH
6/28/2006 2:51:49 PM (3882 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2006 6:09:38 PM (3891 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - J Nisonger/CA
6/28/2006 3:30:38 PM (3949 views)
Re: Private Information for sale, order your copy now. - George Booth/OH
6/28/2006 5:42:47 PM (3875 views)

ValueAmerica - Wendy Waddell/PA
6/28/2006 7:52:34 AM (3175 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
6/28/2006 8:39:33 AM (4136 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Robert Franco/OH
6/28/2006 10:43:11 AM (3974 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/28/2006 11:22:28 AM (3901 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Scott Perry/PA
6/28/2006 12:58:46 PM (4218 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Lisa Ramsey/TX
6/29/2006 6:25:38 AM (3987 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Angelica Schneider/IN
6/29/2006 4:56:38 PM (4123 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/30/2006 3:16:46 AM (4080 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Scott Perry/PA
6/30/2006 7:52:17 AM (4003 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Angelica Schneider/IN
6/30/2006 9:13:17 AM (3950 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Robert Franco/OH
6/30/2006 10:46:27 AM (3784 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/30/2006 11:49:47 AM (3730 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/30/2006 2:05:36 PM (3939 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Julie Jasiunas/WI
6/30/2006 12:12:33 PM (3810 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Glenda Hodge/TN
6/30/2006 12:33:20 PM (3883 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - J Nisonger/CA
6/30/2006 1:27:54 PM (3808 views)
Re: ValueAmerica - Wanda Steudel/OH
6/30/2006 3:00:22 PM (4758 views)


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