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Who's In Your Courthouse? - David Bloys/TX
1/9/2007 10:10:47 AM (3565 views)
Re: Who's In Your Courthouse? - Jan Forster/NC
1/9/2007 12:12:20 PM (3218 views)

OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 11:57:40 AM (4206 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - John Povejsil/MN
1/8/2007 1:26:49 PM (3331 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 2:35:29 PM (3373 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - John Povejsil/MN
1/8/2007 6:12:41 PM (3326 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - David Jenkins/PA
1/9/2007 10:31:39 AM (3379 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 1:37:43 PM (3579 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Chris Konzel/NY
1/9/2007 7:43:47 PM (3399 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Patrick Scott/IL
1/9/2007 8:57:51 PM (3245 views)

copy fees - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/8/2007 8:59:50 AM (2460 views)
Re: copy fees - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 2:32:33 PM (5295 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 4:36:27 PM (3241 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/8/2007 4:46:10 PM (3226 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 11:41:28 PM (3173 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 7:43:28 AM (3251 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 4:51:44 PM (3165 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 4:59:01 PM (3205 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 5:12:38 PM (3032 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 8:17:49 AM (3096 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 9:49:48 AM (3120 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 11:00:33 AM (4950 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 11:08:17 AM (3056 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 11:10:38 AM (3100 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 12:00:22 PM (2992 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 9:50:09 AM (3119 views)
Re: copy fees - Chris Konzel/NY
1/9/2007 10:13:33 AM (3138 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 10:15:40 AM (3067 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 11:06:59 AM (3115 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 11:24:14 AM (3072 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 11:35:36 AM (3087 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 4:36:25 PM (14283 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 4:54:35 PM (3036 views)
Re: copy fees - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 5:08:28 PM (3055 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 11:48:13 PM (3018 views)

Criminal Consulting? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2007 10:34:18 PM (2395 views)
who said crime doesn't pay? - Rich M/ME
1/8/2007 3:55:57 AM (3181 views)
Re: who said crime doesn't pay? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 11:05:47 AM (3224 views)
Re: Criminal Consulting? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/8/2007 7:37:38 AM (3161 views)
Re: Criminal Consulting? - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 1:01:27 PM (4986 views)

Speaking of Doc Edge... - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/6/2007 3:11:11 PM (2489 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Jan Forster/NC
1/6/2007 5:48:00 PM (5393 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Matt Papsch/MD
1/9/2007 10:51:14 AM (3268 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Seth Levine/MD
1/10/2007 1:47:56 PM (3080 views)




What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/6/2007 3:00:34 PM (2418 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/6/2007 4:12:15 PM (3251 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Scott Perry/PA
1/6/2007 8:37:55 PM (3191 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Chris Konzel/NY
1/7/2007 2:01:53 AM (3084 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/7/2007 3:56:17 AM (3209 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Norean Cashwell/GA
1/7/2007 11:06:21 AM (3200 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/8/2007 8:50:01 AM (3275 views)

Revealing my age.. - Jan Forster/NC
1/5/2007 10:00:02 PM (2428 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Scott Perry/PA
1/5/2007 11:40:15 PM (3181 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Jan Forster/NC
1/5/2007 11:48:42 PM (3158 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Scott Perry/PA
1/6/2007 8:34:12 PM (3054 views)

Non payment advise - Christina Dutro/AL
1/5/2007 8:50:38 AM (2457 views)
Re: Non payment advise - Patrick Scott/IL
1/5/2007 10:21:54 AM (3127 views)
Re: Non payment advise - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 6:30:51 PM (3248 views)

US Title - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:12:36 PM (2515 views)
Re: US Title - Jan Forster/NC
1/4/2007 9:56:42 PM (3200 views)
Re: US Title - Anita Backlund/MN
1/11/2007 7:08:25 PM (3244 views)

INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/4/2007 8:04:08 PM (2566 views)
Re: INFINITY - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:09:02 PM (3238 views)
Re: INFINITY - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:22:33 AM (3312 views)
Re: INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/5/2007 9:54:05 AM (3338 views)
Re: INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/5/2007 10:34:11 AM (3296 views)
Re: INFINITY - J Nisonger/CA
1/5/2007 7:31:41 PM (5106 views)
Re: INFINITY - Wendi See/SC
1/5/2007 7:35:04 PM (3312 views)
Re: INFINITY - J Nisonger/CA
1/5/2007 7:56:15 PM (3312 views)
Re: INFINITY - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:59:21 PM (3301 views)
Re: INFINITY - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 2:18:41 PM (5099 views)
Re: INFINITY.......I AM GOING INSANE - Loretta Reed/MD
1/15/2007 2:26:53 PM (3213 views)
Re: INFINITY - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/6/2007 8:10:43 AM (3365 views)
Re: INFINITY - Robert Breakell/CT
1/7/2007 10:20:28 AM (3199 views)

American Abstract/National Abstract - Scott Perry/PA
1/4/2007 4:25:21 PM (2643 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Patrick Tarr/NE
1/4/2007 7:13:54 PM (3290 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Matt Papsch/MD
1/9/2007 10:57:57 AM (3278 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Julie Jasiunas/WI
1/4/2007 7:24:35 PM (3163 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:10:22 PM (3184 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Scott Perry/PA
1/5/2007 11:42:00 PM (3238 views)

Contemporary Again - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/3/2007 8:58:26 PM (2456 views)
Re: Contemporary Again - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/7/2007 9:45:39 AM (3089 views)

Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/3/2007 12:13:45 PM (2538 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
1/3/2007 1:54:00 PM (3409 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 2:50:38 PM (3706 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 2:45:39 PM (3616 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Scott Perry/PA
1/3/2007 5:06:30 PM (3540 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/3/2007 5:25:24 PM (3345 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 6:23:52 PM (3253 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/3/2007 6:41:53 PM (3204 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Rich M/ME
1/3/2007 9:17:11 PM (3258 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/3/2007 9:29:19 PM (3199 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/4/2007 9:52:21 AM (4000 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - george Hubka/MI
1/4/2007 7:55:13 PM (3178 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:20:35 AM (3161 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/5/2007 9:18:12 AM (3099 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/5/2007 9:46:38 AM (3194 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Patrick Scott/IL
1/5/2007 10:46:25 AM (3244 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/5/2007 11:39:20 AM (3290 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/5/2007 3:23:04 PM (3193 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/5/2007 12:19:40 PM (3338 views)

Chris:

If by he, you are referring to me...then for the record, I am a title insurance agent as well as an attorney...as all title insurance agents are required to be in the State of Connecticut. The above questions would be the ones I would ask if a claim arose, and they would certainly be the ones which I would explore if I were representing someone in such litigation.

Ultimately full disclosure is required in order to avoid claims of bank fraud or insurance fraud. Those matters impacting on title to real estate which are objectionable are listed as exceptions to coverage. Many items appear on a credit report or loan application that are never recorded in the land records possibly because they do not impair title.

By the way, it is not that easy to escape conviction for bank fraud by "playing stupid." There is always something in the paper trail that trips defendants up. I know an attorney who did something that he believed quite innocent, but was convicted, disbarred and sentenced to pay a $10,000.00 fine and serve 1,000 hours of community service.

With respect to your water pipe scenario, I assume that an easement, encroachment or reservation of water rights would have been recorded. If so it should have shown up in the land records, title abstract and on the title insurance committment. If not, then I think the problem lies with the recorder's office. In Connecticut the various Town Clerks are liable for negligence, and are not protected by the Sovereign Immunity Doctrine which protects State and Federal employees. If it were some type of prescriptive easement or adverse possession, it would have had to have been held openly and notoriously, and would be common knowledge to all.
I would also think that there would be construction records filed with the local engineering /building dept, possibly showing up in tax assessor's records, possibly improvements showing up in appraisals or surveys/maps..

In so far as your criminal defendant is concerned ...it is a poor example. Remember, defendants are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He may be completely innocent, and as you say have super credit. In which case the renegging party may be open to a suit for slander of credit. I do agree that if the matter came to one's attention some discussion should be had on the issue, but I assume that this would have been explored early in the loan application process. Usually questions are asked as to the purpose for which the loan has been taken. If there is no conviction and no other title problems, it is difficult to see how a problem would result if the subsequent mortgage is recorded with the appropriate priority.

Even liens filed by crime victims are subsequent in priority to previously  recorded mortgages. I know someone that was convicted on various counts of fraud several years ago. The "victims" were six insurance companies. They filed crime victims liens on any property of the defendant's that they could find...whether or not it was truely subject to their lien rights. I represented a partnership in which the defendant was included and to which he had conveyed real estate. Connecticut has a statutory tenancy by partnership through which property conveyed into partnership is treated almost the same as if it had been conveyed into a corporation. The six insurance companies filed crime victims liens on the partnership property. I was able to successfully argue that the lien was invalid because of the statutory tenancy by partnership. The judge agreed, and the lien was released. So, I have some difficulty with your example.

Finally, I do agree that if an unrecorded mortgage does come to your attention, it should be listed as an exception to coverage to the extent that such inforamtion is available. It can also be covered in the general exceptions to coverage built into every policy. I draft them into every policy I generate.

However, I do not think that all is lost in the event of an unrecorded mortgage not coming to your attention before the closing. Here in Connecticut, the purpose of the recording is to notify subsequent lien holders of the security interest, and to preserve the mortgagee's priority among the lien holder's. It is my understanding that a security interest must be properly perfected by recording or else it is defective. If unperfected, it will be effective as between the signatories to the mortgage, but not against third party lien holders who would have relied on the notice. In such case it would be arguable as to whether there was any encumbrance on the property, and if so it would not take priority over lien holders that had recorded since the date of signing, but prior to the recording.  The lender's option is to sue on the note instead for money damages and to secure the claim through attachment/garnishment of a variety of other assets belonging to the mortgagor...possibly more attractive than a foreclosure.

 

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Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
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