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Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/16/2007 7:13:42 PM (2416 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 3:52:37 AM (3522 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 7:13:14 AM (3353 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 7:48:17 AM (3216 views)
Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/17/2007 8:10:35 AM (3694 views)

Not a lawyer, from a purely many years real estate paralegal, former residential loan auditor for CT banks:

It is a very fine line, however, for attorney's personal representation to the purchaser/borrower or seller, the attorney is not required to disclose that fee under federal or state law to the other party or lender.  For example, the seller's attorney may be providing personal representation to the seller only, his legal advice and work product having nothing to do with the purchaser's "loan," therefore, Seller's attorney (P.O.C.) [disclosing that there is a fee, however, it is paid outside the closing transaction and that fee is nobody's business but the client's]. For example, the purchaser/borrower's attorney may NOT be the "settlement agent," "title insurance agent," or represent the lender, his legal advice and review of the documents is strictly for the client's benefit (P.O.C.).  In moldy pre-non-attorney refinance days, you would see an attorney's fee on the "settlement fee" line [fee for lender work being disclosed, borrower required to pay a fee which the lender often set] and on the attorney fee (attorney fee for additional representation such as reviewing/negotiating the purchaser & sale agreement) line of the HUD.

Kevin, correct me if I am wrong, but in a nutshell the attorney fee disclosure is for attorney services required by the lender, that benefit the lender, in connection with the mortgage loan, and paid for by the borrower.  What/how disclosed is a fine line. Over many years I've seen it crossed by lenders, attorneys, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, purchasers/sellers (such as cash back deals after the closing outside the attorneys' presence) off the settlement statement - usually without financial harm to anyone; i.e., no one but the auditor cares. Good news is on a regular basis a percentage of randomly chosen residential loan HUD-1s ARE reviewed by independent (lender and secondary market purchaser), state and federal auditors - bad things are caught eventually ... it's a matter of time, luck, and auditor knowledge, which is why over the years the HUD-1 changed and the HUD-1A appeared.

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Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 8:33:14 AM (3411 views)
Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 10:42:55 PM (3448 views)

International company? - Patricia Shaw/MD
1/16/2007 2:43:57 PM (2398 views)
Re: International company? - Craig Honeker/AZ
1/16/2007 3:32:58 PM (5505 views)
Re: International company? - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/16/2007 9:51:35 PM (3698 views)

Datikala Abstract Co/Darryl Rush - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:25:41 PM (2042 views)

Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 5:15:45 AM (2445 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:41:55 AM (3283 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 10:34:55 AM (3343 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:53:05 AM (3364 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/15/2007 9:40:08 PM (5629 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 11:09:06 PM (3338 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Jan Forster/NC
1/15/2007 11:24:54 PM (5574 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 12:38:45 AM (5558 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2007 6:43:17 AM (3341 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/16/2007 1:42:16 PM (3307 views)

The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/14/2007 10:30:25 PM (2423 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 12:47:27 AM (5578 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 7:04:23 AM (3347 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
1/16/2007 9:48:09 AM (3448 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 10:28:22 AM (3341 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 6:30:10 AM (3246 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 9:01:48 PM (3293 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2007 10:58:39 PM (3217 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/17/2007 10:41:52 AM (3340 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/17/2007 5:40:45 PM (3184 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/17/2007 9:08:26 PM (3316 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kurt deVries/FL
1/18/2007 12:45:02 PM (3212 views)




ACCU-FAX AUTHENTIC FILE RETRIEVAL SERVICE - Austin Whitaker/NY
1/14/2007 10:21:01 PM (2029 views)

Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/13/2007 6:15:56 PM (3473 views)
Re: Online invoices - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:16:30 PM (3146 views)
Re: Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/17/2007 9:19:14 AM (3122 views)

Oneida County Pulls Plug on Internet Records - David Bloys/TX
1/13/2007 1:25:59 PM (3081 views)

Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/11/2007 1:41:04 PM (3733 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Chris Konzel/NY
1/11/2007 8:26:41 PM (3523 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 5:04:09 AM (5800 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/12/2007 1:36:55 PM (3463 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - george Hubka/MI
1/12/2007 7:42:53 PM (3387 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 9:34:03 PM (3353 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:37:42 AM (3491 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 11:49:43 AM (3374 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 1:30:02 PM (3344 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 2:55:24 PM (3358 views)

See you in San Diego! - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 1:02:27 PM (3295 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Jay Duncan/MO
1/11/2007 1:17:01 PM (3136 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Patrick Scott/IL
1/11/2007 2:44:37 PM (3170 views)

My Brother sent me this today. - George Booth/OH
1/10/2007 5:21:30 PM (2476 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Jay Duncan/MO
1/10/2007 6:28:10 PM (3131 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:46:39 PM (3215 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Patrick Scott/IL
1/10/2007 11:05:25 PM (3144 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 11:40:29 PM (3252 views)

NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 12:10:07 PM (2427 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:47:49 PM (3135 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 10:58:39 AM (3182 views)

Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - John Povejsil/MN
1/10/2007 7:17:29 AM (2498 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 9:45:28 AM (3268 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Seth Levine/MD
1/10/2007 1:45:51 PM (3410 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Chris Konzel/NY
1/10/2007 6:34:38 PM (3133 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:53:09 AM (3219 views)

America's Most Wanted Criminals Aren't - David Bloys/TX
1/9/2007 10:35:15 AM (3131 views)

Who's In Your Courthouse? - David Bloys/TX
1/9/2007 10:10:47 AM (3564 views)
Re: Who's In Your Courthouse? - Jan Forster/NC
1/9/2007 12:12:20 PM (3212 views)


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